That's correct Phil. They're not against a J-C as a TLP. I'm pretty sure that if we were to goto othername.apache.org, then we will have no problems unless othername is considered too abstract I guess. It seems hard for us to come up with a meaningful name that doesn't use the word 'java' due to trademark reasons, and isn't too abstract though. jcommons.apache.org, commonsj.apache.org are the only ones that ever jump out.
We also have the package name thing to think about. All of our code is designed to be imported, unlike say Tomcat or Velocity where it is a minority who would be importing a class, so we have a huge issue if we choose to change the package name structure. We have an issue in terms of sibling projects to go with us. ECS, Regexp, ORO have often been talked about in terms of having a Commons future, and HttpClient/Math are planning to leave at some point. The latter is a larger issue, where do they go from a TLP? I believe that if we were prepared to adjust the charter to be language neutral, then we would have a lot of support to take commons.apache.org, though there would be some nay-sayers and it's hard to say who'd be in the majority, but it might be worth finding out. My personal vote is that we either consider a language-neutral commons.apache.org, or we wait until such a time as Jakarta is so empty that Commons can move every component to SLP and 'inherit' Jakarta. :) There is one difference between a need for a Tomcat TLP and a need for a Commons TLP. The current chair (3rd person at 9am is so beautifully pretentious) is a poor representative of Tomcat as they are a very active community and he has limited involvement with them as a community; however said current chair does pay a lot of attention to commons-dev and commons-user :) That said, Brett is right in his email that we need to become more active in managing the health of Commons. There was one suggestion that we could effectively TLP but retain the same customer view; that is Apache Jakarta-Commons coud be a TLP in which the name Jakarta-Commons has only typographical links to Jakarta (and we'd be on the Jakarta site if Jakarta PMC agreed). It's the first time I've heard this suggestion, and would have been superb 2 years ago when the migration started, but it's an option. Another option is the Jakarta PMC ^ Commons committers. Those J-C committers who are on the PMC could just start talking and calling votes etc on this list. The whole point of having 3 pmc members per subproject, or component in our case, is to allow for such a thing and I see no reason for us not to use community set-theory to end up with the equivalent of a J-C PMC immediately, providing we report results back to the central PMC on [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's probably what Jakarta subprojects should have been doing for the last year and I'm hitting myself for not thinking of it then :) I'm not aware of any ruling that PMC decisions have to be forged on a general@ list. We've actually been doing this across Jakarta whenever we have a vote, but I think we've been quite focused on the PMC being where non-release/non-nomination votes get held. As I said, 9am so treat this as an early morning brain-dump (yep, I'm that late for work). Hen On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 08:00:25 -0500, Phil Steitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The first thing to decide is do we want to go TLP. Lets not get hung > up on the name. My read of Hen's post is that the board is not > against a TLP based on what is now Jakarta Commons, so if we want to > go TLP they will at least consider it (without forcing us to expand > scope). So, all those in favor.... > > Phil > > > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:16:31 +0000, Rory Winston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Er, I thought the basis of the board's objections as outlined by Henri > > earlier was that commons.apache.org as a Java-only repository is a no-no.... > > > > "Jakarta Commons Developers List" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Are we ready for this?? If others agree, I am willing to draft a > > > proposal. Before doing that, I would like to make sure that others > > > feel that now is a good time to take this step and also get some > > > feedback on the basics: > > > > > > Scope - slightly edited from the current charter, removing the reference > > > to server products and to Jakarta: > > > > > > "The subproject shall create and maintain packages written in the Java > > > language, designed to be used independently of any larger product or > > > framework." > > > > > > Initial Committers - all current j-c committers > > > Initial PMC - Jakarta PMC ^ j-c committers > > > > > > Name - Apache Commons > > > > > > The last item might be contentious, but I think we should try to keep > > > the name. 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