Quoting back a bit that Ceki left out from Remy's original message:
As a personal note, I find this proposal completely out of place after years of FUDing and dissing commons-logging in general, and anything not log4j in particular.
Remi, Remi... how could you hope for anything else?
The proposal is not _really_ out of place... considering the proponents! Why would they deviate
from a well established pattern of behaviour? Ceki is a very consistent person... and so is his team.
Log4J will not adopt any interface outside Log4J and, of course, anything else will end up being
assimilated...
=;o)
Regards, Paulo Gaspar
Ceki G�lc� wrote:
On 2005-03-24 23:50:45, Remy Maucherat said,
> At this point, the only productive thing that could happen is if log4j > adopted the java.util.logging API as the logging API for log4j.next. > The java.util.logging API, wether you guys accept it or not, is the > only realistic standard moving forward. That way, we would not be > needing any "wrapper API" gimmick, and applications could use the full > logging APIs rather than being limited to a small subset of its > functionality.
It doesn't make any sense for log4j.next to adopt java.util.logging API. As for the claim that java.util.logging is the only realistic standard forward, it should be clear to any moderately astute observer that bundling an API with the JDK is not enough to create a standard.
Remy, there is more to logging than what meets your eye as a Tomcat developer. I am confident that by continuing to carefully listen to your (Tomcat) constituency, you will eventually change your mind.
In other words, don't listen to what LS people have to say, only listen to what Tomcat users say.
Cheers,
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