To be clear : Henri is right that the PMC doesn't need to validate the HTTPClient community's request. However, the aspect the PMC needs to vote on is if we want to expand jakarta via the addition of another sub-project. We certainly accept that the HttpClient community voted to do this. :)

The fact that it's coming from 'inside' makes it a no-brainer - we started the vote already and I can't see anyone having a problem, but we should be formal about it to ensure that no one has any issue with this.

I personally made the mistake of having the vote on the PMC list - this one could have been a public general@ vote. Sorry.

geir


On Apr 14, 2004, at 7:52 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:



The PMC don't need to vote on it, just to be aware of it, for the Chair to
tell the board in his notes and to ratify the move. However, some may feel
that the vote should take place on commons-dev and not on
commons-httpclient-dev.


I'm +1 for the move, so not too bothered at where the vote has happened.

Hen

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, Adrian Sutton wrote:


Hi all, Recently the Commons HttpClient project voted on a proposal to move HttpClient out of Jakarta Commons to become a full Jakarta subproject. The result of the vote is below. It's our understanding that the Jakarta PMC now needs to vote on the proposal as well.

Please advise us of any step in this process we're missing.

Regards,

Adrian Sutton.


Begin forwarded message:


From: Adrian Sutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 29 March 2004 8:47:16 PM
To: Commons HttpClient Project
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [VOTE][PROPOSAL][RESULT] Promote HttpClient to Jakarta Level
Reply-To: "Commons HttpClient Project"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The vote has passed.  We will put forth the proposal below to the
Jakarta
PMC to move HttpClient to a Jakarta level project.  The vote details
are
below:

+1 votes -
    Adrian Sutton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
    Oleg Kalnichevski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
    Michael Becke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
    dIon Gillard [EMAIL PROTECTED]

+0 votes -
    Ortwin Glück [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Vote thread -
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/BrowseList?listName=commons-
httpclient-de
[EMAIL PROTECTED]&by=thread&from=681919


(0) RATIONALE
HTTP is the main protocol used today on the internet. Although the JDK
includes basic support for building HTTP-aware client applications, it
doesn't provide the flexibility or ease of use needed for many
projects.


The current package in Jakarta-Commons is a widely used implementation
with
a strong community behind it. The size of it's community and it's
project
has significantly outgrown the commons project and a move to a Jakarta
level
project would provide better support for that community and for the on
going
development of HttpClient.


(1) SCOPE
The project shall create and maintain a Java library implementing the
client
side of the HTTP 1.0 and 1.1 protocol, as defined in RFC 1945, RFC
2616 and
RFC 2617.

HttpClient also supports the following RFCs.

* RFC 2109 for HTTP state management mechanism (Cookies) - an upgrade
to RFC
2965 is planned for a future version of HttpClient

* RFC 2396 Uniform Resoruce Identifiers (URI): Generic Syntax

* RFC 1867 Form-based File Upload in HTML

The package should:

* Have an API which should be as simple to use as possible
* Be as easy to extend as possible
* Provide unconditional support for HTTP/1.1

The package is quite different from the HTTP client provided as part
of the
JDK (java.net.HttpURLConnection), as it focuses on the HTTP methods
being
sent (instead of making that transparent to the user), and generally
allows
more interaction with the lower level connection.  The JDK client is
also
not very intuitive to use.

The package is used by a wide range of projects both within the ASF
and from
third parties.  These include:

* Jakarta Slide
* Jakarta Commons Latka
* Nortel Networks
* HtmlUnit
* Jakarta Cactus
* JSR 147
* NOSE Applied Intelligence ag
* MindIQ's Design-a-Course
* ContactOffice
* Newknow
* de4d2c
* Furies
* Term Highlighting for Verity Ultraseek search results
* Mule - Universal Message Objects
* many more.

(1.5) Interaction With Other Packages

HttpClient relies on:

* Java Development Kit (Version 1.2 or later; 1.3 or later recommended)
* Jakarta commons-logging (Version 1.0 or later)
* Jakarta commons-codec (Version 1.2 or later)


(2) INITIAL SOURCE OF THE PACKAGE

The initial codebase exists as a sub-project of Jakarta-Commons, in the
httpclient subdirectory of the jakarta-commons cvs tree.


The proposed package name for the new sub-project is
org.apache.httpclient.

(3) REQUIRED JAKARTA RESOURCES

* CVS Repository - New module, jakarta-httpclient in the CVS
repository.

* Initial Committers - The list is provided below. All of the proposed
committers are currently jakarta-commons committers.


* Mailing List - Two new mailing lists will be required:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
These will be used for developer discussions and user discussions
respectively.  CVS commit messages will be sent to the httpclient-dev
list.

* Bugzilla - New product category "HttpClient", with appropriate
version
identifiers as needed.  Existing bugs in the HttpClient component
under the
Commons product category will need to be migrated.

(4) INITIAL COMMITTERS
The initial committers on the HttpClient component shall be:

* Michael Becke
* Jeff Dever
* dIon Gillard
* Ortwin Glück
* Oleg Kalnichevski
* Adrian Sutton


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