On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Brianna Laugher <[email protected]>wrote:
> 2008/10/14 Johannes Beigel <[email protected]>: > >>> Secondly, current version of the tool does a plagiarism - beacause > >>> it does not mention > >>> image authors and does not provide any mean (like by making images > >>> clickable) to check > >>> these authors. > >> > >> Ouch, thanks for pointing that out. Tricky to do this automatically > >> since it's all wiki-text with templates, but we'll investigate a > >> solution here. > > > > We'd highly appreciate input from the community regarding this topic! > > > > The printed books from PediaPress contain a list of figures where the > > license of each image is listed, together with the URL to the image > > description page. As some kind of "hotfix" this solution could be > > implemented in the PDF export of the Collection extension, too. But > > this doesn't really solve the problem. > > > > We think it's more of a technical/software thing, so I cross-posted > > (and set Reply-To) to Wikitech-l. > > > > In our opinion, license management/handling must be a core feature of > > MediaWiki, because the software is explicitely developed for the > > collaborative distribution of free content. Licenses of the containing > > articles and images should not be represented via some agreed-upon > > convention but via structured (and machine-readable) information, > > available for each relevant object in the wiki. > > > > Some information that would be desired: > > > > - Full (official) name of the license(s). > > - Whether the full text of the license has to be included or a > > reference sufficient. > > - Reference to the full text of the license(s) (in some rigidly > > defined format like wikitext). > > - Whether attribution is required. If so: The list of required > > attributions. > > > > So, basically all the information that's required to check if it's > > possible to take some part of the MediaWiki and use it somewhere else > > and all the information that has to be included in that other place. > > This information could be made accessible via MediaWiki API, but > > ideally it's contained in the wikitext and/or XHTML, too. > > Because different wikis implement licenses in different ways (ie there > are no naming conventions for license templates), I am not sure this > license information would belong in MediaWiki core. But I think that > definitely Wikimedia Commons, and perhaps other Wikimedia wikis that > accept freely licensed uploads, should work on providing a "community > API" layer. My thinking behind this is that the communities build a > lot of structure into their content via templates or categories or > whatever. It makes sense to provide an API to stop every third party > user having to reinvent the wheel. > > On Wikimedia Commons a little bit of work has been done to this end: > <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Commons_API> > > In particular this contains some of the license info you mentioned. > e.g. below is the info for the GFDL. > > GFDL > > full_name > GNU Free Documentation License > attach_full_license_text > 1 > attribute_author > 1 > keep_under_same_license > 1 > keep_under_similar_license > 0 > license_logo_url > > http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Heckert_GNU_white.svg/64px-Heckert_GNU_white.svg.png > license_info_url > http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html > license_text_url > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/fdl.txt > > The "Commons API" also has an author field. > <http://toolserver.org/~magnus/commonsapi.php?image=Sa-warthog.jpg&meta<http://toolserver.org/%7Emagnus/commonsapi.php?image=Sa-warthog.jpg&meta> > > > I think at the moment this is being taken from the {{information}} > template. You can see in this example it includes a wiki link; it > should have already been resolved to a full URL, so there is > definitely still work to be done. > > I would be interested to know if further development of the Commons > API would be "heading in the right direction" for PediaPress. Hello, I'm speaking for the Poster Project of Fr-Wikipedia, but its needs are very similar to PediaPress. We need to answer this question : << What is the minimum Credit line to provide when distributing the file? >> We currently parse/provide the document, that's why such Commons API would help a lot. But, even with this API, we still have to answer questions: - do we have to provide author, origin, uploader or commons url? - with the API, how can we get the shortest text to provide? (if possible without even checking the licence) Example on the functionnality we would need: GetMinimumCreditLine("Sa-warthog.jpg", "printable", "en") -> ("From Sanjay ach, under GFDL", FlagProvideGFDL) or GetMinimumCreditLine("Sa-warthog.jpg", "web", "en") -> ("From Sanjay ach, under <a href='urlgfdl'>GFDL</a>") Cheers, Plyd
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