I didn't readed the entire discussion here on mailing list neither on COM:AN simply because I don't have enought time to look for productive comments and to ignore the flamewar pieces.
Talking only on the logo issue: after months of inactivity (I will be back on July for 4-8 weeks, returning again on December and leaving again on February or March 2010) I've logged-in my [[User:555]] account to take a look at http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=File%3APikiwiki_logo.jpg&file=fvfbm30g1hvr48knmrxjvfrln2uw17o.jpg&token=4d837b022f1ab77e01d2cbc2e3471a8f%2B\<http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=File%3APikiwiki_logo.jpg&file=fvfbm30g1hvr48knmrxjvfrln2uw17o.jpg&token=4d837b022f1ab77e01d2cbc2e3471a8f%2B%5C> and I've found a non-copyrightable image! 1) The text is PD according to http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-textlogo ; 2) The blue background is simply a blue background. You can't claim for copyrights on a colour. If you don't see the blue background as a background, no problem: there is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-shape for you; 3) The piece that is a good attempt on showing a photography is or a http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-shape or a derivative from copyleft icons like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Nuvola_apps_background.png or http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vista-folder_images.png or http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Vista-kview.png or thousands more that depicts the sky with a mountain. Fortunately I'm no more a copyright paranoid. Fell free to open a undeletion request mentioning this message *if* the Wikimedia Israel guys agrees that the logo for this project don't have anything with enough creative work to get copyrighted. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Trademarked may or may not apply for this image. /me going back to get madden with their college researchs On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Gnangarra <[email protected]> wrote: > First up correct me I'm making the wrong assumption here > > Pikiwiki is hosted on Israeli servers > Commons is hosted on US servers > > The problem that is arising is that there are differences between the > copyright laws of the two countries and what is an acceptable free image use > in Israel is significantly different to what applies in the US and its with > this difference that problems have arisen. Some how we need to explain the > differences to the Pikiwiki community and get their help in addressing the > information we need to host images on US servers. > > As a separate issue the purpose, position, and expectations of Commons > within the wider Wikimedia community needs to clarified, when I came to > Commons it was as repository of free media, primarily to design to support > cross project use of that media without the need to have multiple copies of > the same file stored on the servers. From where it sit that hasnt changed, > the people/admins of Commons havent gone rogue but at the moment it appears > that we as members of that community are under seige. While Cary's comments > on commons, and this discussion have helped to stimulate further discussion > I think the approach of take all the files fromPikiwiki then you(Commons > community) can sort the copyright problems later, because that what your > there for isnt helpful or reasonable. > > I agree with Dror involving the Foundation in this because its a > fundamental concern that needs to be fixed and something that has the > potential to bite at the core of our society. Whats needed from the > Foundation is physical assistance in assessing, transfering the images and > ensuring that before they are hosted on Commons servers the image do comly > with US and source copyright laws what isnt need is further bashing of the > people on Commons who are trying to ensure the image can be hosted. > > > > 2009/6/5 W Knight <[email protected]> > > Just a point of fact: the upload bot is still blocked at this time: >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3APikiwikisrael >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Abigor <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Gerard, >>> >>> The PikiWiki project is lead by three organisations and not only >>> wikimedia >>> Israel. >>> >>> I don't think the problem is Commons accepting the project. But even if >>> we >>> see it as one of our sisterprojects it still needs to follow Commons >>> Policies. The same counts for En.Wiki the can't upload fair use on >>> Commons >>> because the policy. There are other project that al almost the same like >>> Http://www.wikiportret.nl or photosubmission project on En.wiki both the >>> projects need to get otrs permission for every upload and give as source >>> the projectsite. I think this would be a good way to go with Pikiwiki. >>> >>> About the block, as far as I know the bot is already unblocked. But we >>> have like 2.500 images already on Commons that need to be fixed before we >>> upload even more images. >>> >>> huib >>> >>> Http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/user:Abigor >>> msn: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Commons-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Commons-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l >> >> > > > -- > GN. > http://gnangarra.redbubble.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Commons-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l > >
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