Personally, I would prefer that people pursue freedom of panorama before we pursue "freedom of deep space objects". The later I would put pretty far down the priority list, actually. How about the following agenda:

1. Freedom of orphaned works
2. Freedom of panorama in U.S.
3. Get Library of Congress to digitize all U.S. copyright records
4. Get U.S. to apply rule of the shorter term
5. Get U.K. to officially kill sweat of the brow
6. Repeal database rights in EU
7. Repeal Sonny Bono Copyright Extension Act
8. Fix absurd copyright terms in Mexico
9. Get works by U.S. states added to public domain
10. Freedom of deep space objects
....
99. Profit

Ryan Kaldari

On 9/17/12 6:22 AM, John Vandenberg wrote:

Where is the onwiki discussion about this? I could find '[1]'

Or a wikipedia page that describes the copyright status of imagery of DSOs?

John Vandenberg.
sent from Galaxy Note

On Sep 15, 2012 1:25 PM, "??????" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

      Hi,

      I am not seeking legal advice. I am asking the pursuit of the
    issue. I am
    not a US citizen so I do not have a congress person to contact.
    The laws
    governing copyright can be amended to address the issue of deep space
    objects (DSO). I do not expect a result next week, I merely want
    the issue
    to enter into an agenda of some sort. If the Foundation is going
    to take
    the lead, this probably would only be possible through a board
    decision. In
    such a case I want to work with people to come up with such a draft
    proposal to the board.

      I realize this is an unusual request but there seems to be a lack of
    clarity on this issue[1]. Argument is that copyright can be an
    issue since
    not every organization observing or assisting NASA's observations are
    PD-USgov compatible. We may be forced to permanently delete all
    deep space
    objects as a result.

      I'd like to provide a short technical explanation why copyright
    of deep
    space objects or DSOs (objects outside of the solar system) are
    meaningless. For ordinary photographs copyright is determined by
    factors
    such as lighting, perspective, exposure and other such settings that
    creates a different image of the same object. You can distinguish the
    difference between a daylight photo and an evening photo.

      With deep space objects however, even the stellar parallax[2]
    has a very
    small value. The closest object outside of the solar system is
    4.24 light
    years (268,136 AU's) away. The semi-major axis of earth is about
    1AUs. The
    difference in perspective is like looking at a 2cm (width of a
    nickel) wide
    object 5.3km (3.29 miles) away and the perspective difference is
    switching
    left eye to the right eye. We lack scientific instruments to even
    detect a
    stellar parallax for objects much further. In other words our
    perspective
    of the nearest star and beyond is more or less constant and the
    objects
    themselves look the same for hundreds of years.

      So any photo of a deep space object I or someone else takes from the
    solar system will look identical regardless of when and where on
    earth I
    take it within multiple lifetimes. I think this can bring legal
    precedent
    for us to either disregard any copyright claim or at least pursue
    lawmakers
    in congress to amend the copyright law to make an exception in the
    law.
    People who worked with congress such as Neil Degrasse Tyson could be
    consulted to this end. Also international treaties[3] can be
    consulted to
    this end as copyrighting photos of deep space objects could be
    interpreted
    as an unfair exploitation of resources.

      I realize this reads like something out of Star Trek but this is
    growing
    to be quite a problem as we see more and more weird copyright
    claims even
    when dealing with NASA which traditionally had a PD-USgov
    mentality. NASA
    regularly contracts its more recent projects and to be fair we do
    not know
    how NASA contracts these projects which could potentially lead
    to legitimate copyright claims in the future.


    [1]:
    
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Potential_deletion_of_all_deep_space_objects

    [2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_parallax

    [3]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_law#International_treaties

      -- ??????  (To Aru Shiroi Neko)
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