Hi Brion,

Looking in:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Videos
There are a number of .ogg/.ogv files - what will happen to them? Will they be 
auto-moved to .webm?

Thanks,
Mike

> On 23 Aug 2017, at 16:56, Brion Vibber <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> This is happening now!
> 
> Video playback in Safari/IE/Edge now defaults to WebM instead of Ogg, and if 
> all goes well, I'll disable the .ogv derivatives tomorrow.
> 
> Please give a shout at any unexpected problems.
> 
> -- brion
> 
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Brion Vibber <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> Due to ongoing issues with ffmpeg2theora & upcoming server upgrades, I'm 
> planning to accelerate our migration from Ogg Theora video output to WebM 
> VP8: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172445 
> <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T172445>
> 
> == When will it change? ==
> 
> Sometime in August 2017 as schedules permit, unless surprises pop up in final 
> testing.
> 
> == What will change? ==
> 
> Folks using Chrome and Firefox may not notice any difference -- these 
> browsers have used native WebM playback by default for some time. "Ogg" will 
> disappear from the list of optionally-playable and downloadable formats.
> 
> In Safari, IE, or Edge where the 'ogv.js' compatibility shim is used, you 
> will see videos automatically show up in WebM mode instead of Ogg mode.
> 
> There is a tradeoff: higher quality & lower bandwidth use, but higher CPU 
> usage. On very slow computers or at very high resolutions, you may hit CPU 
> limits at one resolution step lower than with Ogg.
> 
> == Why are we making this change? ==
> 
> * Eventually we need to go to WebM to support adaptive streaming, so this was 
> always planned for the long term...
> * For best quality we use an unreleased version of libogg and ffmpeg2theora, 
> but there are still some bugs in there and we routinely get reports of odd 
> hangs or crashes.
> * Ops is updating the servers, and continuing to maintain the custom packages 
> that are still crashy is getting to be problematic.
> * Dropping the Ogg format for video will free up disk space and and CPU time, 
> and should result in faster turnaround for derived file generation.
> 
> == What about Ogg audio? ==
> 
> Ogg is still being used for audio, and will not be affected.
> 
> -- brion
> 
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