Dear all,

Thank you Jackson for your observations which make more sense to me as a
members of the community.
We should all focus our energy and strength in the building up of the
community and the future.
Remain optimistic and maintain some decorum and respect in the way we
communicate.

"Our diversity is our strength".

Speaking as a member of the community.

2016-09-16 17:39 GMT+08:00 Jackson Muthili <jacksonmu...@gmail.com>:

> My few observations :-
>
> 1 Let us maintain objectivity in discussion and not attack persons
> 2 I feel too that Owen speaks too often for Alan. He is free to do so;
> Alan is free to not speak up as he wish. It is a free world. It does
> however raise eyebrows on intent of Owen with some people to
> paraphrase his action as shielding CEO.
> 3 Lets focus on future and remain optimistic and lets give a chance to
> people to deliver on their promises. If the man said next week give
> the man next week not few days.
>
> -
>
> On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Badru Ntege <badru.nt...@nftconsult.com>
> wrote:
> > Owen
> >
> > I will not delve further into whatever seems to be rocking your boat.
> >
> > Whichever way you choose to extrapolate statements made by me the basic
> point from members is that. Many commitments made before are never met at
> the promised time.
> >
> > Now we might use words and a higher understanding of the English
> language to dress this up but a fixed date in time is what we need.
> >
> > Commitment was made on the 10th of September. Thus next week becomes
> 12th to 17th. I still have hope it will happen.
> >
> > Once again let's stop personalising issues. CEO is an employee of the
> organisation and that role comes with responsibilities.
> >
> > I was not trying to be sarcastic look back at all your recent emails.
> Especially to some members you are constantly trying to defend people who
> are perfectly capable of defending themselves. They also have a choice to
> ignore an email which is also perfectly acceptable.
> >
> > So Alan's choice to ignore that statement in the email was perfectly
> acceptable but it is also hoped that the message had been received.
> >
> > I also hope you have got the message so we can stop this thread as I do
> not see how it positively contributes to our organisation.
> >
> > Let's agree to disagree
> >
> > Have a splendid Friday.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > Badru Ntege
> > CEO
> > NFT Consult Ltd
> > Www.Nftconsult.com
> >
> > “Vision without execution is hallucination.”
> > ― Thomas A. Edison
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 16 Sep 2016, at 7:31 am, Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Sep 16, 2016, at 12:15 AM, Badru Ntege <badru.nt...@nftconsult.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Owen
> >>>
> >>> Was not sure that our CEO had outsourced some of his responsibilities
> to you. However let me try and respond to your response.
> >>
> >> Your sarcasm is as pointless as it is counterproductive, but this seems
> to be par for the course.
> >>
> >>> My statement was pointing to precedent. Which in my understanding
> refers to what has happened before.  Allot of commitments do not seem to
> have any defined timelines which is reflected by the many emails from
> members referring to missed commitments.
> >>
> >> You quoted a particular message from Alan. That message contained a
> specific time commitment from the CEO which you paraphrased as “few days”.
> You then went on to criticize the CEO based not on his words, but based on
> an ambiguity you introduced when you paraphrased his words. While there is
> precedent for your tendency to misquote people, I hardly think that is a
> particularly relevant matter.
> >>
> >> A commitment without a defined timeline is one thing. However, in this
> case, Alan provided a defined timeline which you chose to ignore in your
> message. Having ignored that, you went on to criticize the lack of a
> defined timeline which was an outright falsehood in this case.
> >>
> >>> Unfortunately this constant attempt to shelter the CEO from very basic
> responsibilities by seeing statements like the one you refer to as unfair
> does not do him any favours. In all our jobs we make time bound commitments
> which we have to meet.  Sorry but in a professional organisation "sometime
> next week" does not pass.  But you are asking us to accept that ??.
> >>
> >> I wasn’t sheltering the CEO from anything. I was outright criticizing a
> nonsensical statement made by you.
> >>
> >> Alan put a time constraint on his original statement. I even translated
> it into specific dates in case some linguistic challenge prevented you from
> understanding it this time.
> >>
> >>> We need to separate the person from the role. Our CEO should be able
> to make time bound commitments and meet them. Let's put friendship aside.
> >>
> >> Agreed. And in this case, he made a time bound commitment which is
> still in the future. As such, I’m not sure why you are insisting on
> criticizing him for not doing so.
> >>
> >> Owen
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Regards.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Badru Ntege
> >>> CEO
> >>> NFT Consult Ltd
> >>> Www.Nftconsult.com
> >>>
> >>> “Vision without execution is hallucination.”
> >>> ― Thomas A. Edison
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 15 Sep 2016, at 9:03 pm, Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Badru,
> >>>>
> >>>> While”few days” may have very different meanings and is ambiguous,
> that’s not what Alan said.
> >>>>
> >>>> As you quoted below, Alan said “…post something next week”. To my
> knowledge, that’s a pretty
> >>>> unambiguous statement which means that we can expect him to post
> something somewhere between
> >>>> September 18 and September 24. It may be that he gets it out this
> week, instead, which would be
> >>>> even better, but worst case, he has constrained himself to no later
> than September 24 in an unambiguous
> >>>> way.
> >>>>
> >>>> The choice of “few days” was entirely your choice of language which
> you then chose to criticize.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am very confused by this action.
> >>>>
> >>>> Owen
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sep 10, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Badru Ntege <
> badru.nt...@nftconsult.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Alan
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 10 Sep 2016, at 11:37 AM, Alan Barrett <
> alan.barr...@afrinic.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Do we have any timelines?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I have already received a draft, but I have not yet reviewed it.  I
> hope to complete my own review and then be able to post something next week.
> >>>>> One is tempted to feel like these issues are given a lower priority
> among the scheme of things.  But let me fight that temptation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyway I'm glad we will be getting something in the next few days.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Problem is precedent means "few days" has very different meanings.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Written with the best intention seeking a semblance of
> professionalism.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Alan Barrett
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