+1 to Frank.
The PRIMARY value to Associate members should be reflected in the association 
with Afrinic  and not Voting.
The PRIMARY value to resource members are the resources from Afrinic.

rgds
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Eng. Abibu R. Ntahigiye.

On Sep 19, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Frank Habicht wrote:

> Hi Douglas,
> 
> valid points.
> One small "value addition" is of course the "priceless" association with
> AfriNIC. I trust that for "some, but only a few" entities this could be
> enough value.
> 
> But beyond that I think the question is: "how much more value does
> AfriNIC want to give and how many more associate members do we wish to get?"
> 
> We probably have diverse answers to this. I personally prefer if we can
> find enough seats at the members' meeting ;-)
> 
> About dropping the category altogether: I don't object. But maybe there
> are a number of entities that would want to become associate members,
> just because they like that, and without voting rights...???
> (I don't know)
> 
> Regards,
> Frank
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/19/2016 11:05 AM, Douglas Onyango wrote:
>> Hi Frank, et al,
>> On 19 September 2016 at 06:49, Frank Habicht <ge...@geier.ne.tz> wrote:
>>> I agree, with all of the above. Well said.
>>> Considering that someone could control many legal entities, and these
>>> could all become associate members, that could change voting outcomes
>>> very much into that someone's favour.
>> 
>> My original intent, which I thought I had expressed clearly in
>> previous discussions, is a more fundamental issue with the Associate
>> Membership category: lack of value addition. This issue is a parent
>> issue to the proposed clarifying text. It must be addressed first to
>> pave way for, and inform any clarifying text on Associate Membership
>> in the bylaws.
>> 
>> Now just to be clear, I am not advocating for voting rights per se.
>> What I am advocating for is value addition for every membership
>> category. The idea of a membership category that collects fees but
>> offers no value in return just doesn't sit well with me.
>> 
>> My proposal is that we find substantial value for this category. If we
>> can't, I believe the membership category makes no sense and should
>> effectively be dropped all together.
>> 
>> I hope this provides more clarity on my views.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
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