Thanks to those that have contributed to this discussion.
My opinion is that keeping the identity of applicants from the community
(at a time when unscrupulous people may be getting creative in trying to
receive resources wherever they may be available) is probably a
loophole. The Registration Services Agreement (
http://www.afrinic.net/fr/services/rs/rsa ) makes it clear that AFRINIC
will protect applicants' data and privacy; and we should do that.
What I do not understand is how AFRINIC can be considered to have
violated trust by the practice of sharing limited data with the
community that has been entrusted with the responsibility of determining
the organization's direction. Note that:
1. The suggested disclosure is to the organization that the applicant is
looking to receive resources from and become a part of.
2. The community that (partial application information) is being
disclosed to is charged with the responsibility of deciding how
allocated/assigned resources are managed.
3. No intellectual property or personal details are to be shared; The
organization name, the type of operation (and possibly type and size of
resource requested) should be sufficient for transparency and
accountability.
I strongly agree however, that AFRINIC must continue to protect any
business plans and intellectual property disclosed in received
applications in order not to enable the applicants' or members'
competition against them. This is the responsible thing to do. I just
need to be convinced that sharing the name of an applicant and the
resources requested (in a time of limited supply,) constitutes a threat
to the applicant's business or a violation of trust.
If a company intends to consume Internet resources that are likely to
help develop that region, I doubt that they would want to hide
information about who they are and what type of organization they are
running. At least, not from the community responsible for responsibly
managing resources in the same region. For applicants in a sensitive
area of operation like national security or one of the usual opaque
suspects, exceptions can be made.
These are just my thoughts anyway; eventually, it's up to us all to
accept, discard or refine if we think there is any value.
Regards,
Dewole.
On 07/11/2016 18:08, Andrew Alston wrote:
Dewole,
That information is already available based on space allocated. It
would be a violation of the MSA and privacy clauses to disclose any
application before it is granted.
The whois database contains the rest of the information as does the
delegation database, just a matter of correlating them. I for one
would not support AfriNIC directly exposing the names of clients being
allocated space, as I believe that it violates aspects of the MSA and
violates the principles of trust.
Andrew
*From:*Dewole Ajao [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* 07 November 2016 18:15
*To:* [email protected]; General Discussions of AFRINIC
<[email protected]>
*Subject:* Re: [Community-Discuss] Regular updates on Number Resource
Applications and Approvals
Responsibility of requesting entities is what I meant, Mark. Please do
not attempt to declare anything on my behalf.
If an applicant knows the community sees in realtime, he/she is less
likely to put in phony stuff that just wastes the hostmasters' time
and increases the time taken to process legit requests.
Dewole.
On 07/11/2016 16:09, Mark Elkins wrote:
On 07/11/2016 16:53, Dewole Ajao wrote:
Once a week is good. ARIN has a daily issued feed but that's a bit
different from what I'm suggesting.
I agree the actual allocated/assigned ranges need not be disclosed; I do
however think that sharing the names of (applicant) organizations will
help with responsibility and possibly reduce the occurrence of phony
applications (if there have been any).
Isn't that basically declaring you don't trust AFRINIC staff to do the
right thing?
What I tend to hear (happened twice today) is that the Hostmasters are
so strict - its extremely difficult to get things done (according to the
entities moaning at me).
I therefore trust the Hostmasters - they are doing the right thing.
Dewole.
On 07/11/2016 15:35, Mark Elkins wrote:
Interesting. I think though a once-a-week stats figure would be
sufficient - perhaps with a projected end date?
I've seen that before somewhere....
AFRINIC should not give out the names of the organisations
receiving the
address space or the actual ranges themselves though.
On 07/11/2016 16:29, Dewole Ajao wrote:
Dear Community,
I was wondering if anyone else thinks it would be useful to see
weekly/daily details (in human readable format) of new
applications and
approvals for Internet number resources perhaps as a
weekly/daily email
from AFRINIC to this (or the members) list.
Given increased depletion rates, I think having these details in
(almost) real-time will increase the community's awareness
rather than
rely solely on the biannual statistical updates (which in any
case do
not contain details of who is making attempts to acquire number
resources). I think the Org Name, Country, Type and size of
resource
requested/approved would be even more useful than the resource
type/size
and country data already available in delegation stats at
ftp://ftp.afrinic.net/pub/stats/afrinic/
This would be purely operational and a community value addition
so it
should not require a new policy, right?
Regards,
Dewole Ajao.
(in my capacity as a community member)
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