I can only support this. Volunteers like Sami deserve a better treatment. Boubakar
On Thu, Dec 6, 2018 at 9:40 AM Sunday Folayan <[email protected]> wrote: > Greetings, > > This should resolve the issues around the legitimacy of an hard-working > volunteer, for the job no one else wants to do, so that the community > can move on. > > Moving on, is without prejudice to the rights and intention of other > parties to appeal or not appeal if and when the last call is made by the > legitimate callers - the Co-Chairs. > > Apologies for the cross-posting. > > Kind Regards .. > > R.SF. > > On 06/12/2018 09:01, Ernest Byaruhanga wrote: > > Colleagues, > > > > Here is some background information on the matter of Sami’s term as > co-chair of the Policy Development Working Group. > > > > On the 07 of June 2018, minutes of the AFRINIC28 public policy meeting > were published on the AFRINIC website and shared with the co-chairs. > > > > The minutes are published at > > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group/ppm-afrinic-28 > > > > The last two bullets of minute 6.1 read as follows: > > > > ---------- > > • Sami Salih (the outgoing co-chair) offered to continue as co-chair > till there is a process in future to find a new co-chair. > > • Delegates were asked if there is support for Sami to continue as > co-chair till the next scheduled nominations period. There was strong > support to have Sami continue – and he was therefore tasked to serve as > temporary co-chair until the next scheduled nominations season. > > ————— > > > > The above is what guided Sami (and AFRINIC) to believe that his tenure > would run "until the next scheduled nominations season”, which is next year > at AIS/AFRINIC30 (2019). > > > > Looking at the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTApl4QHfY, > it’s clear that the recorded minute above did not accurately reflect what > was discussed. > > > > Apologies for the confusion. > > > > Regards, > > Ernest. > > > > > >> On 6 Dec 2018, at 10:38, Andrew Alston <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Arnaud, > >> > >> My motivation – when I found this situation and duly acted on it – was > simple – to gather the evidence required to prove that the process had not > been followed in the passing of this policy – the fact that while looking > for other evidence to document all the objections that made this policy > fail in Dakar, I came across this – is immaterial sometimes when you are > documenting evidence to form solid and legitimate groundwork for an appeal > when you know for a fact that process has not been followed, you come > across things that you hadn’t seen before – that require action. > >> > >> If by “Is this what we can expect from Liquid” you refer to me > personally insisting on adherence to process and adherence to the bylaws – > then yes – that is what you can expect, please remember – in the context of > the PDP – companies typically do not take the floor – individuals from the > community do. When and if I am speaking on behalf of my employer – I have > always made this extremely clear. > >> > >> As for the vague insinuations about cross-checked data – yes – my data > was wrong – it happens and I’ve admitted that – it happened because I > relied on published data that I downloaded from a source that I believed to > be trusted and didn’t verify it – my mistake and I apologise for that – > however, that is not really relevant to the discussion at hand and is, in > my opinion, you doing exactly what you are accusing me of doing, conflating > issues to try and discredit something legitimate. I refer to my previous > email about members of this community engaging in “whataboutism” ( > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism) – this is case in point. > >> > >> Andrew > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Arnaud AMELINA <[email protected]> > >> Sent: 06 December 2018 09:07 > >> To: Andrew Alston <[email protected]> > >> Cc: abel ELITCHA <[email protected]>; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource > Policy <[email protected]>; General Discussions of AFRINIC < > [email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Sami's status as a co-chair > >> > >> Andrew, > >> > >> Why do you always react following your ego and pursuing personal > interest and not community interest? When you started this palaver on last > call and Sami tenure, you tried on community-discuss to use data you have > not cross checked to discredit the organization performance. What is your > real motive? Is this what we should expect from Liquid telecom all along ? > >> > >> Arnaud > >> > >> Le mer. 5 déc. 2018 20:10, Andrew Alston < > [email protected]> a écrit : > >> Komi, > >> > >> You cannot rewrite the mandate granted by the community in the minutes. > >> > >> Fact – the reality is – the community voted – clearly – on a 6 month > mandate – that is indisputable fact. > >> Fact – that mandate expired > >> > >> What the *minutes* say does not change the reality of a video recorded > meeting. > >> > >> When the issue was raised – is immaterial – the context of the issue > being raised – is immaterial – fact – is fact – the mandate was granted – > the mandate expired. > >> > >> Andrew > >> > >> > >> From: Komi Elitcha <[email protected]> > >> Date: Wednesday, 5 December 2018 at 21:30 > >> To: Andrew Alston <[email protected]> > >> Cc: "AfriNIC RPD MList." <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Sami's status as a co-chair > >> > >> Hello Andrew, > >> > >> The minutes(*) of the PPM of AFRINIC-28 was published by co-chairs as > mandated by the PDP. > >> > >> The cochair election sections (6.1) read: > >> > >> [....] > >> > >> "The Elections Committee asked for a show of hands for those in favor, > and those not in favor of Mark Elkins’ candidature. After a show of hands, > there were 22 in favor and 56 not in favor of Mark’s candidature. > >> NomCom Chair called for nominations from the floor to fill the empty > PDWG co-chair seat. > >> There were suggestions that the position be filled by a temporary > co-chair until there’s another nominations process to find a replacement > co-chair. > >> Sami Salih (the outgoing co-chair) offered to continue as co-chair till > there is a process in future to find a new co-chair. > >> Delegates were asked if there is support for Sami to continue as > co-chair till the next scheduled nominations period. There was strong > support to have Sami continue – and he was therefore tasked to serve as > temporary co-chair until the next scheduled nominations season." > >> > >> Practices at AFRINIC is that Elections are held mostly during the > community meeting coupled with AGMM. So it is not surprising to see that > the PDWG admin page(**) lists Sami as cochair with term June2016 - June2019. > >> > >> This probably explains why an election process was not triggered for > the AFRINIC-29. > >> > >> Nobody raised an alarm when the 77 days before election day passed (15 > September 2018) and there was no nomination process.Furthermore, at the > beginning of the PPM in Hammamet, there was no objection to Sami chairing > the meeting. > >> > >> Making all these noises, and challenging Sami right to operate at the > meeting and moving on, just because Co-chairs made a decision one does not > like is not responsible. > >> > >> Decency would have required the separation of issues appropriately > handling them through other mechanisms, which would normally be more > consensual with interest in conflict resolution an in an appealing manner . > >> > >> > >> Hope this helps > >> > >> > >> -Komi > >> > >> > >> > >> (*) > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group/ppm-afrinic-28 > >> (**)https://www.afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#admin > >> > >> Le mar. 4 déc. 2018 à 4:52 PM, Andrew Alston < > [email protected]> a écrit : > >> Hi All, > >> > >> I want to clarify something – to be very sure. > >> > >> If I am correct – there was no election of a PDP co-chair in Tunisia. > Can someone please confirm that? Because if there was no election – we > only have ONE chair at the moment – and Sami’s status as a co-chair has > lapsed and he cannot adjudicate on consensus. > >> > >> I say this – because in Dakar – and for those of you that were not > there, please see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTApl4QHfY at about 13 > minutes in, Sami’s position was granted as interim only – and only for the > following 6 months until the next PDP. > >> > >> So – unless there was an election called – and video evidence of this – > Sami is no longer eligible to act in the position of co-chair – since his > mandate was not granted by this community on the floor of a meeting, and as > per the legal counsel at the Dakar meeting – any position into which Sami > entered – was only valid until the November meeting, and the co-chair goes > on, on record on the microphone to further state that Sami was only > appointed “Until the next PDP meeting” > >> > >> Sami – on that note, thank you for your service as the interim co-chair > over the preceeding 6 months. > >> > >> Andrew > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> RPD mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd > >> _______________________________________________ > >> RPD mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd > >> _______________________________________________ > >> RPD mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Community-Discuss mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > Sunday Adekunle Folayan > Managing Director > General data Engineering Services (SKANNET) > 16 Oshin Road, Kongi Bodija, Ibadan - Nigeria > Phone: +234 802 291 2202, +234 816 866 7523 > Email: [email protected], [email protected] > --------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss >
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