Good points Jordi, and thanks for the throwback on the very many amazing
sacrifices we all made, to grow the Internet in Africa.
I will resist asking Ernest to defend himself here, We are not
constituted as a competent jury, neither do we want to compromise the
ongoing investigations.
Questions are appropriate, so will be his own admissions or rebuttals,
when the investigations are completed.
I may be wrong, but that is my own expectations and position.
Sunday.
On 06/12/2019 10:04, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss wrote:
Hi Sunday, all,
I’ve been in “internal conflict” myself, since I read the article. Let
me tell why.
I met Ernest the first time around 2005, if I recall correctly. My
first AFRINIC meeting was AFRINIC-2 in Maputo, Mozambique, and shortly
after, during an ITU meeting in Geneva, Adiel asked me if I could
contribute to the AFRINIC community coming to the next meetings and
joining Ernest in his trips to do the Registration Services training
so I do IPv6 trainings.
Sunday for sure can remember that when going for a training to Lagos,
I was deported back to my country, because a mess created by the
Madrid Nigerian consulate and thanks to the quick reaction from
Sunday, I could resolve that on the next day and flight again to do
the training.
My immediate response was, of course, I will be very happy doing that,
and since them I lost tract in how many African countries, I’ve been
doing those trainings and how many thousands of brothers have been
able to take advantage of that.
The relevance of that is clear. I’d a close relation with Ernest (as
well as with many other staff from all the RIRs). Traveling so much
together, you get to know people, and we are talking here about almost
15 years. Of course, you may get a wrong impression, we all may have a
hidden face. As humans, we all have positive and negative things. But
I’m really shocked, I still resist to believe it.
I also believe that he is a smart guy. So, put yourself in the
position of a smart guy that want to do something bad. Do you think
you will use your own name for registering companies, or instead you
will bribe someone, may be a friend (but not family) to avoid your
family name to appear in any documents? I feel this is really silly
and non-understandable. So maybe somebody used him, which doesn’t mean
he is still guilty “in vigilando” because he trusted anyone else, or
something similar.
Do we believe in “presumption of innocence”? I do, despite documents.
If you don’t know the complete background, documents may not be enough.
So, I will like to request to Ernest, to provide a clear explanation,
and may be publicly recognize what (if any) have been his mistakes and
involvement an all this.
Note that I’m not here defending anyone. I’ve no any personal
interest. My only interest is to know the **real true** and I’m sure
everybody agrees on that.
Note also that I’ve no doubts that the documents may be authentic, so
no doubt about the good work and investigation done by Ronald and very
thankful for that.
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
El 5/12/19 20:02, "Sunday Folayan" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> escribió:
It is a shame that the system was exploited. I did not in anyway
suggest that the malfeasance be ignored, or that we should focus only
on legacy space.
The community has been informed that there is already some internal
investigations ongoing. We should give AFRINIC the time to get things
done. I equally expect that if criminal actions and intentions are
established, the law should take its course and people should stand
accountable for their deeds.
I query the suitability of a system, where existing or moribund
organizations' IP resources are stolen/hijacked/leased for upwards of
7 years, and it took this level of cross-border investigations to
discover the manipulations. If the resources are indeed not needed or
in active use, why would or should they not have been returned to the
Registry for the common good?
For those whose resources were stolen or hijacked, I expect their
legal department will be pursuing the hijackers/traders/users with
gusto by now.
While appreciating the whistle blower(s) for a job well done on behalf
of the entire community, Instead of running a mob-justice system here,
with the assurance that justice will be served, the community should
rather apply its mind on how to make sure that IP resources are
available for developing the continent. That will be a better use of
our time and intellect.
Sunday.
On 05/12/2019 1:46 PM, Mike Silber wrote:
Be that as it may - that seems to ignore the fact that there
appears to have been significant malfeasance regarding non-legacy
space.
I just want to ensure that we maintain a balanced view of the
problem and not deflect it to focus only on the legacy space issue.
It terms of priorities - it would make sense to me to focus on how
space that should have been subject to the RSA has been
mis-appropriated and then turn to the more difficult question of
legacy space. If the current processes are open to abuse, then
moving legacy space under those processes may not have the desired
outcome.
Mike
On 5 Dec 2019, at 14:27, Mark Tinka <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Completely agree with Sunday.
Mark.
On 5/Dec/19 13:02, Sunday Folayan wrote:
Isn't it time to address Legacy space issues, specifically
ancient squatters on spaces meant to develop the Internet
in Africa, AfriNIC Services and bringing legacy spaces
under some form of RSA?
I urge the community to think beyond the sensation and let
us see how to help and empower the people doing useful
work for Africa.
Thanks.
Sunday.
On 04/12/2019 6:23 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
I hope you all will take the time to read and think
about the following
news story.
https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/330379-how-internet-resources-worth-r800-million-were-stolen-and-sold-on-the-black-market.html
I will have more to say about this in due course.
For the moment, I only
wish to say that the investigation undertaken by
myself and Jan Vermeulen
is ongoing, and that many others are provably involved.
Regards,
rfg
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