Andrew You make some good points. Not sure if the IETF also has an issue with sock-puppets, astroturfing and posters using pseudonyms?Maybe you can enlighten us?
My personal view is that the key point that is missing [and the *real* issue on the mailing list] is not identity verification, but failure to disclose affiliation. Along with the suggestions you made [code of conduct, well enforced] is a disclosure requirement [see ICANN’s SOI / statement of interest process for all working groups as an example]. I have no issue with comments from users using pseudonyms - provided they have a complete SOI setting out their affiliations to avoid the *real* concern with such users, namely sock-puppets and astroturfing. Looking forward to your feedback. Mike > On 24 Jan 2022, at 09:22, Andrew Alston via Community-Discuss > <[email protected]> wrote: > > If AfriNIC chooses to remove me from the lists because I refuse to hand over > ID documents – while they are quite ok with taking my money as an authorized > admin contact – then in effect, they are no longer providing the service that > a full RIR providers to other members, based on a requirement that they have > no mandate to implement. > > AfriNIC cannot guarantee the security of information provided. > AfriNIC has no way to verify that the documents submitted are valid > AfriNIC has no mandate from its member base to request for and hold sensitive > personal information. > > To be blunt – I will be giving AfriNIC no such documents – if they choose to > remove me from the lists and remove my say in this community and in their > processes as a result – either admit at that point that AfriNIC is no more > than a book keeper to me – and discount my fees accordingly – or – I will > take whatever action I deem necessary to deal with what I view as a flagrant, > unsanctioned move by an organization that is meant to be bottom up but has > now just lost the plot. > > I might point out that – no other RIR has such a requirement. Nor does the > IETF. What they do to solve the issues on their lists is they enforce a code > of conduct, complete with an appeal process and a sergeant at arms who’s job > it is to deal with violations of the code of conduct. They sure as hell > don’t ask for sensitive documents to prove who people are – that’s insane. > > Andrew > > > > From: Owen DeLong via Community-Discuss <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2022 9:51 PM > To: AFRINIC Communication <[email protected]> > Cc: Community Discuss <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] ID verification on the Database Working > Group mailing list > > The form requires one to agree to submit to an unspecified online identity > verification process. This is not reasonable. The process should be spelled > out in detail prior to demanding that someone agree to submit to it. > > While I favor a reasonable identity verification process, the document linked > has no relationship to such a thing and is, instead a contract of attainder > which should not be allowed. > > Owen > > > > On Jan 20, 2022, at 10:46, Owen DeLong <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > The requirements are expressed in sexist terms. Arguably a violation of the > very CoC it alleges to bind one to strict adherence. > > Perhaps this should be reviewed and amended? > > Owen > > > > On Jan 20, 2022, at 04:52, AFRINIC Communication <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Dear colleagues, > > AFRINIC is now introducing an ID verification process for our mailing lists. > This is part of our “Know Your Customer” (KYC) measures that aims at > addressing any abuses on the AFRINIC community mailing lists and making our > online community a place where people can better engage and learn from and > with their peers. > > The ID verification will start its application with the Database Working > Group mailing list and will follow a simple process, before embarking on the > other AFRINIC community mailing lists. Thank you for your constructive > feedback as we seek to continue improving the process. > > You are kindly invited to start the process by filling out this form: > https://verification.afrinic.net/ <https://verification.afrinic.net/> > > Subscribers to this mailing list have until the 20th of February 2022 to > complete their ID verification. > > We encourage all subscribers to take necessary steps before the above > timeframe has elapsed. > > Kindly note that after the 20th of February 2022, the messages of the > subscribers who have not completed the KYC check will be automatically > rejected. > > Regards, > AFRINIC Team > > ……………………………………………….. > > Chers collègues, > > AFRINIC introduit un processus de vérification d'identité pour nos listes de > diffusion. Ceci fait partie de nos mesures "Know Your Customer" (KYC) qui > visent à traiter tout abus sur les listes de diffusion de la communauté > AFRINIC et à faire de notre communauté en ligne un lieu où les gens peuvent > mieux s'engager et apprendre de et avec leurs collègues. > > La vérification d'identité commencera par la liste de diffusion du Groupe de > travail sur les bases de données (DBWG) et suivra un processus simple, avant > de s'étendre aux autres listes de diffusion de la communauté AFRINIC. Nous > vous remercions de vos commentaires constructifs, car nous cherchons à > continuer à améliorer le processus. > > Vous êtes cordialement invités à commencer le processus en remplissant ce > formulaire : https://verification.afrinic.net/ > <https://verification.afrinic.net/>. > Les abonnés à cette liste de diffusion ont jusqu'au 20 février 2022 pour > procéder à la vérification de leur identité. > > Nous encourageons tous les abonnés à prendre les mesures nécessaires avant > que le délai ci-dessus ne soit écoulé. > > Veuillez noter qu'après le 20 février 2022, les messages des abonnés qui > n'auront pas effectué la vérification KYC seront automatiquement rejetés. > > Cordialement, > L'équipe AFRINIC_______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss > <https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss>_______________________________________________ > Community-Discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
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