Jordi is not the one who is confused here. Democracy != Transparency. Transparency is a prerequisite to democracy.
That’s exactly what he has said each time after his first post which contained an unfortunate and inaccurate equivalency. If you prefer it in mathematical terms, transparency is a true subset of democracy. (At least any functional democracy). Supposed democracies without transparency include nations such as Belarus and China. Few people think of those nations as democratic. Indeed, even the US is guilty of insufficient transparency, IMHO and has become far less democratic than it should be. My position here is not animus towards AFRINIC as an institution. My position here is that an organization that is to be trusted should follow its own rules and act accordingly, with transparency, accountability, and propriety. Owen > On Feb 20, 2022, at 09:31 , Noah <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jordi, > > Perhaps how about you stop confusing transparency with democracy. > > Cheers, > Noah > > > On Sun, 20 Feb 2022, 14:17 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss, > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Hi Arnaud, > > > > As explained, in my opinion, the basis of the democracy is transparency. You > can’t trust a country being democratic if there is no transparency. > > > > We probably agree that after that trasparency, there are many other steps to > build democracy, and that’s the reason why there are many ways to score the > “democracy level” of different countries. My own country, Spain, is not in > the best position and I countinuously fight in courts with the government and > many instituions whenever I see anything is broken. > > > > But if the basis (transparency) is not there in something so simple as a > monopoly accusation … we have a problem and with that, what I’m calling is > the legal AFRINIC staff to consider making a call to the government to change > that, or otherwise, consider if there are other African countries that will > better satisfy the democracy levels that AFRINIC needs. > > > > Regards, > > Jordi > > @jordipalet > > > > > > > > El 18/2/22 22:37, "Arnaud AMELINA" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> escribió: > > > > Hi Jordi, > > > > What does democracy have to do with this? each country has its rules and as > others said, AFRINIC and its lawyers should look for ways of disclosing their > submission on this case. > > > > I do think Mauritius is more democratic than many countries on the continent > where you live… they just have some practices all may not like. > > > > -- > > Arnaud > > > > Le jeu. 17 févr. 2022 à 15:49, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via Community-Discuss > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> a > écrit : > > I fail to understand how is possible, that a resolution from a public > Competition Commission is not public, even redacting personal data if needed. > In normal democratic countries, as I know, all those cases are published in > their web site. > > AFRINIC legal staff must take care of that. > > Regards, > Jordi > @jordipalet > > > > El 17/2/22 15:59, "Mike Silber" <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> escribió: > > Thanks Eddy > > There have been some interesting discussions on various lists regarding > this issue. > > To the extent that AFRINIC can share any of its submissions to the CCM > [which were obviously persuasive], this will be appreciated and could close > off any future discussion. > > Regards > > Mike > > > On 17 Feb 2022, at 13:27, AFRINIC Communication <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Dear Colleagues, > > > > An anonymous complaint was lodged against AFRINIC in September 2021 at > the Competition Commission of Mauritius ("CCM") pertaining to alleged > anti-competitive conduct on the part of AFRINIC with respect to the transfer > of resources. > > > > The CCM had found no such restrictive business practice on the part of > AFRINIC within the meaning of the Competition Act 2007; and the inquiry has > been closed with no further action. This was documented in their letter dated > 22 December 2021, Unfortunately however, we cannot publicly share the CCM’s > letter. > > > > As a community driven membership based organisation, there are > committees, working groups and processes set in place to address any issues > that might need to be addressed. > > > > We shall continue to collaborate with all institutions, government or > otherwise, and continue to deliver on our functions as responsible Regional > Internet Registry. > > > > > > Kind Regards, > > > > Eddy Kayihura, > > Chief Executive Officer, > > African Network Information Centre (AFRINIC) > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > ……………………………………….. > > > > Chers collègues, > > > > Une plainte anonyme a été déposée contre AFRINIC en septembre 2021 > auprès de la Competition Commission of Mauritius ("CCM") concernant un > comportement anticoncurrentiel présumé de la part d'AFRINIC en matière de > transfert de ressources. > > > > La CCM n'a trouvé aucune pratique commerciale restrictive de la part > d'AFRINIC au sens de la loi sur la concurrence de 2007, et l'enquête a été > classée sans suite. Ceci a été documenté dans leur lettre datée du 22 > décembre 2021, mais nous ne pouvons malheureusement pas partager publiquement > la lettre de la CCM. > > > > En tant qu'organisation basée sur l'adhésion et dirigée par la > communauté, des comités, des groupes de travail et des processus ont été mis > en place pour répondre à toutes les questions qui pourraient être abordées. > > > > Nous continuerons à collaborer avec toutes les institutions, > gouvernementales ou autres, et à remplir nos fonctions de Registre Internet > régional responsable. > > > > > > Cordialement, > > > > Eddy Kayihura, > > Directeur général, > > Centre africain d'information sur les réseaux (AFRINIC) > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > …………………………………………. > > > > زملائي الأعزاء، > > > > يسعدني أن أشارككم الحكم الصادر بالأمس ، 14 فبراير 2022 ، في قضية > الاستئناف المرجع Cloud Innovation Ltd vs African Network Information Center > (AfriNIC) Ltd. https://afrinic.net/ast/case9-judgement.pdf > <https://afrinic.net/ast/case9-judgement.pdf> > > > > تم رفع هذه القضية ردًا على خطاب أرسلته AFRINIC إلى Cloud Innovation > Limited بتاريخ 10 مارس 2021 وفقًا لأحكام اتفاقية خدمة التسجيل (RSA) حيث أكدت > AFRINIC أن Cloud Innovation Ltd كانت ولا تزال تنتهك RSA. > > > > ينبع هذا الاستئناف من طلب Cloud Innovation Limited للأمر المؤقت ، والذي > تم منحه في البداية لصالحها في 29 مارس 2021 ، ولكن بعد ذلك ألغاه القاضي الموقر > في الدوائر في 07 يوليو 2021. استأنفت Cloud Innovation Limited ضد هذا الحكم ، > و عُقدت جلسة الاستماع في 27 يناير 2022. > > > > لا شك أن هذا يعد معلمًا أساسيًا لـ AFRINIC ، ونود أن نشكر الفريق وأصحاب > المصلحة لدينا على دعمهم المستمر. > > > > وببساطة ، فإن دائرة الاستئناف في المحكمة العليا لموريشيوس ، بعد أن نظرت > في الحجج المقدمة من كلا الجانبين ، رفضت الاستئناف. بعبارة أخرى ، حازت AFRINIC > على هذا النداء. > > > > > > > > أطيب التحيات، > > > > > > إيدي كاييهورا ، > > الرئيس التنفيذى، > > المركز الأفريقي لمعلومات الشبكة (AFRINIC) > > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > > > > ……………………………………………… > > > > Caros Colegas, > > > > Tenho o prazer de partilhar convosco o julgamento mais esperado e > favorável para a AFRINIC proferido ontem, 14 de Fevereiro de 2022, no > processo de recurso ref Cloud Innovation Ltd contra African Network > Information Centre (AfriNIC) Ltd. > > https://afrinic.net/ast/case9-judgement.pdf > <https://afrinic.net/ast/case9-judgement.pdf> > > > > Recordará que este recurso decorre do pedido de injunção provisória da > Cloud Innovation Ltd, que foi inicialmente concedido a seu favor a 29 de > Março de 2021, mas depois anulado pelo Meritíssimo Juiz das Câmaras a 07 de > Julho de 2021. A Cloud Innovation Ltd tinha recorrido dessa sentença e a > audiência teve lugar a 27 de Janeiro de 2022. > > > > Simplificando, a Divisão de Apelação do Supremo Tribunal das Maurícias, > após ter considerado os argumentos de ambas as partes, indeferiu o recurso. > Por outras palavras, a AFRINIC ganhou o recurso. > > > > Para vossa informação, é relevante acrescentar que este caso tinha > começado na sequência da nossa carta datada de 10 de Março de 2021 emitida à > Cloud Innovation Ltd, em conformidade com as disposições do Acordo de Serviço > de Registo (RSA) segundo o qual a AFRINIC alegou que a Cloud Innovation Ltd > estava, e continua a estar, em violação do RSA. > > > > Sem dúvida, este é um marco importante para a AFRINIC e gostaríamos de > agradecer à equipa e às nossas partes interessadas pelo seu apoio continuado. > > > > > Por outro lado, aproveito também esta oportunidade para informar que na > sequência de uma queixa anónima apresentada contra a AFRINIC em Setembro de > 2021 na Comissão da Concorrência das Maurícias ("CCM") relativa a uma alegada > conduta anticoncorrencial por parte da AFRINIC no que diz respeito à > transferência de recursos, pode observar que a CCM, por carta datada de 22 de > Dezembro de 2021, não tinha encontrado tal prática comercial restritiva por > parte da AFRINIC na acepção da Lei da Concorrência de 2007; e que o inquérito > foi assim encerrado sem qualquer outra acção. > > > > Seja como for, continuaremos a colaborar com todas as instituições, > governo ou não, e continuaremos a cumprir as nossas funções como Registo > Regional da Internet responsável. > > > > Por razões óbvias de confidencialidade, não podemos partilhar uma cópia > da carta do CCM. 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