Serge Knystautas dijo:
> Antonio Gallardo wrote:
>> ie: MS can see the forking as a way to break the Java platform. They
>> already tried to make it some years ago and failed. But make some harm.
>> Even Sun sued them for this.
>>
>> The scenario is not easy:
>>
>> If Java is divided, we lose.
>
> I respectfully disagree.  I think (some of) what Microsoft did with Java
> was good.   In the long-run it may have hurt Java, but they dropped out
> before there were any problems.
>
> Two points:
>
> 1. Early on, Microsoft wrote a much better JVM implementation.  The
> Microsoft JVM 1.1 was much faster than Sun's win32 implementation at the
> time.  I don't see anything wrong with that.

I see many wrong here. Just to refresh the mind:

http://news.com.com/2100-1001_3-225523.html
http://news.com.com/2100-1001_3-227105.html
http://news.com.com/2100-1001_3-251401.html

> 2. IMHO JDirect is better than JNI.  JNI allows for 100% Java purity,
> but in the meantime Java is 7 years old, and it's still a huge pain to
> use ActiveX components.  Python gets to be as the best glueware tool.  I
> don't care about losing to C#... we're losing more ground to Python.

I care about losing in favor of C#, then wil come .NET and after that
XAML. It is something we need to care.

>
>> By doing a potential Java forking, MS can take advantage and make C#
>> win.
>> But, if Java is licensed under GPL it will be hard to make an
>> intentional
>> fork at all.
>>
>> My ideas are posted in my too primitive english. I hope the point is
>> clear
>> now.
>
> I think they come across well.  I'm just in the camp that more
> competition is better, and that's why I like ASF licensing since it
> allows for more competition.

Note, if I will not like the ASF License, I will not been here. ;-)

I am in the camp where more FAIR competition is better.

This is why we need to leverage a player camp without a potential
one-vendor lock-in. Under this schema, Linux serves well to this purpose
and Java is the other key piece of this player camp.

Best Regards,

Antonio Gallardo


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