Something else your post made me think of: Many engineering programs have labs
that involve a particular hardware platform.

OpenMoko would make an ideal platform for labs on all the different
technologies involved: embedded systems programming, small screen UI, hardware
control, modem interfacing and control, GPRS applications, etc.

With access to the openmoko website and sourcecode, instructors have a huge
range of material to work with.

Students will have access to the hardware via JTAG, and more via the lunchbox.

All this at an extremely inexpensive price. I'll bet most lab platforms are
much more expensive as they are low volume development platforms.

Heck, some of you here could be teaching these classes. Perhaps just write up
a proposal and send it to your local college extension program?

Thoughts?

Michael


On Sat, 17 Feb 2007, Steven ** wrote:

While I do think engineering schools would be a good target, some of
your restrictions are unnecessary and some of your assumptions on the
usage are out-of-sync.

I graduated from an engineering only college a little less than 2
years ago.  We didn't have to buy programmable calculators.  We had to
buy laptops.  These laptops had to run Maple and Matlab for the math
courses.  These laptops had built-in Wifi.  We used the laptops during
tests.  The professors weren't running any monitoring systems to
ensure we weren't connected to the Internet.  Maybe my school just
expected more of the students, but everything was based on the honor
system.

I don't think math professors would be a good target.   I just don't
think the Neo has enough processing power to meet the needs of math
applications.  The embedded professors and Civils would probably be
interested though.

-Steven

On 2/17/07, kkr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Numerous applications expressed previously (on this mailling list) are
 possible only if a big density of device exists.


 When I've made my engineering school, we had to all buy a programmable
 calculator (HP48, Sharp or Casio). In general, professor recommends the
 one that they have. If the neo could replace this one, it makes us,
 close to 1000 neo (1000 students) in the same building.

 With such a density of devices, about which all the owners know how to
 program, this gives us an environment privileged to see appearing of
 numerous original applications.

 So, I guess that Engineering schools would be a good place to promote
 the neo.



 So that this one can replace the calculator, we need:

 1. A scientific calculator application is required

 2. A programming language (Basic or C) that can be use in standalone
    case (with no PC).

 3. It must be able to be used during the examinations:
    For it, the functions of communications (GSM, bluetooth) must be
    able to be blocked or watched:
    a. GSM: It must be able to boot without SIM card
    b. Bluetooth must be watched by the teacher during the exam
       (e.g.: The teacher's neo ping continously the bluetooth bdaddr of
       all neo's students, and if it receive one respond, the student
       is eliminated)



 If it is possible (see 1, 2 and 3), we only have to convince some key
 professor (e.g. by subsidizing a few of them - less than 5 or 10), and
 the students will all have to buy one.

 e.g. key teachers:
 - mathematics (arguments: C language and scientific calculator)
 - data transmission and telecom (argument: GSM, GPRS, bluetooth)
 - real-time embedded systems
 - civil engineering and environmental engineering (arguments GPS and
   GPRS)
 - microprocessor
 - electronics









 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 From: kkr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: [email protected]
 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:26:18 +0100
 Subject: Re: "Automatic Updates Notification" for the Neo?
 Le samedi 17 f?vrier 2007 ? 00:53 +0100, Marcel de Jong a ?crit :
>  As Cliff already mentioned, it uses a tool called ipkg which is very

 I sent my second email before receiving the Cliff answer (Which in
 summer posted before my answer ;-)

>  much alike Debian's (and Ubuntu's) apt-get system. And I'm sure you
>  can set it to check the 'repositories' or 'feeds' (databases where the
>  applications are distributed from) for the latest updates every time
>  you connect it to the web via usb/bluetooth. (most likely done via a
>  GUI but also with support for CLI; at least GPE and OPIE use the same
>  system, and have both GUI and CLI)
> > I have little experience with Fedora, so I don't know the similes with
>  their system, but I'm sure it's very similar.
> > ---
>  Marcel de Jong











 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 From: "Perry E. Metzger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: kkr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:37:03 -0500
 Subject: Re: RFC: Public targets having a big potential: Engineering
 schools

 kkr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>  So that this one can replace the calculator, we need:
> > 1. A scientific calculator application is required

 I suspect gcalctool or the kde equivalent could be altered to the UI
 requirements of the Neo.

 --
 Perry E. Metzger                [EMAIL PROTECTED]




 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 From: "Florent THIERY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: [email protected]
 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:17:10 +0100
 Subject: Re: "Automatic Updates Notification" for the Neo?

>  It should be.  The package manager used by OpenEmbedded (ipkg)
>  supports operations similar to yum and apt-get:

 Will there be an official/community repository?




 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 From: Stefan Schmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: [email protected]
 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:36:21 +0100
 Subject: Re: "Automatic Updates Notification" for the Neo?
 Hello.

 On Sat, 2007-02-17 at 02:17, Florent THIERY wrote:
> > > > It should be. The package manager used by OpenEmbedded (ipkg)
> > supports operations similar to yum and apt-get:
> > > Will there be an official/community repository?

 1. Official openmoko feed.
 2. Feed with packages tested by openmoko developer.
 3. Community feeds as much as you like.

 regards
 Stefan Schmidt

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 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 From: "Mike Hodson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: [email protected]
 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:07:55 -0700
 Subject: Re: openmoko articles
 Bloody gmail and their lack of 'reply to bloody list'
 Apoligies Michael, on the personal reply and now this repeat.

  On 2/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >  Look for it on Digg - I think digg points to the gizmodo article,
 and anyone
> >  can join digg and post comments.

  That I shall!
  Thanks for the heads up.

>  Forgive my error. I think the troubling post was on engadget. At any
 rate, I
>  think my comments are still valid in general, and we may see more posts
 like
>  this that would be good to respond to.

  Perhaps the original Engadget report was a bit negative, however, the
  judging by the attitudes of gizmodo 'invited commenters' they seem to
  have their heads turned around in a painful position, one which I will
  leave you to guess. The actual gizmodo article was good.

  Mike




 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 From: "Dr. Suess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:15:08 -0600
 Subject: Re: Help Adding A Picture/Video Behind Incoming Call Screen
> Do you mean something like this:
> http://people.openmoko.org/sean/specifications/images/dialer_incoming.png
> But I believe the images in those folders are just design
> indications,so it is of course subject to change. ;-)

 Yes, but I would like to add a picture/video to the background instead
 of darkening what was being done. Are there any pictures of this
 without the labels so I could make a mockup?

 -ryan




 ---------- Forwarded message ----------
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mike Hodson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:03:18 -0800 (PST)
 Subject: Re: openmoko articles



 On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Mike Hodson wrote:

>  Bloody gmail and their lack of 'reply to bloody list'
>  Apoligies Michael, on the personal reply and now this repeat.
> > On 2/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Look for it on Digg - I think digg points to the gizmodo article,
>  and anyone
> > >   can join digg and post comments.
> > That I shall!
>  Thanks for the heads up.
> > > Forgive my error. I think the troubling post was on engadget. At any
 rate,
> >   I
> > think my comments are still valid in general, and we may see more > > posts
> >   like
> >   this that would be good to respond to.
> > Perhaps the original Engadget report was a bit negative, however, the
>  judging by the attitudes of gizmodo 'invited commenters' they seem to
>  have their heads turned around in a painful position, one which I will
>  leave you to guess. The actual gizmodo article was good.

 Interesting observation I've made of a great many sites that allow
 comments
 (not just technical sites - this includes amazon book reviews, tools,
 etc.)
 is
 that the comments often comment on the preceding comment, and not on the
 main
 subject, so that if a comment takes an off-topic path, and if that comment
 generates a large number of follow up comments, a reader might get the
 impression that this off-topic path is somehow central to the main
 subject,
 whereas in fact it isn't.

 It bothers me but I don't think there is anything that can be done. Some
 threads end sooner if we don't respond.

 Michael



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