Hi all,

I've read the article in German. They are written about a stuff like this:


Fabien schrieb:
Just to (hopefully) clarify: I've read, probably from some very unreliable internet source, about a scheme where police make the carrier uploads an "improved" firmware over the air, which turns the phone into a microphone, even when not calling; it changes the shutdown function into a "pretend to shutdown yet go on spying"; the only fix would then be to remove batteries.

As source "heise" cites an article from the very common political magazin "Spiegel"...

Beside of updating the phone with an "improved firmware" they talking about using different signals (my 2cent: not mentioned in more detail) to switch on the hands-free set to be able to record/listen to the environment noise of the phone -- as long as the phone is switched on.

The second possibility mentioned in the news is that the phone will be switched to a "switched off" mode by turning off the screen and the speaker. In fact the mobile is still connected to the provider. Therefore the police has to work together with the provider (my 2cent: as mentioned above from Fabien via the firmware).

And last but not least, the third method to change the phone to be able as a bug is to hack the mobile via BT, WLAN or IR and dropping a trojaner into it.


my 2cents (only short):
I think these parts has to be discussed more separatly.

At least the third point (hacking the phone) can be handled and improved here. (using firewall, monitor, ...)

And also the 2nd one is more difficult using a freed phone (as also stated from Fabien see below).

For the first one. I'm not sure about the "signals" they're using. More technical detail are necessary (at least for me :) ).

If you're talking about this, let's say that this kind of scheme is much harder to implement on an open-source phone, especially if you can run an arbitrary set of monitoring applications on it. It's not theoretically impossible, but probably completely impractical, even for a rogue state agency.



Sorry for my bad english. Hope that helps to clarify the Topic...

cheers
-homyx





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