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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Shipping, Billing, etc (Daniel Robinson)
2. Re: Shipping, Billing, etc (Peter Trapp)
3. Re: projects of interest? (Shakthi Kannan)
4. Operator Acceptance Testing (Shakthi Kannan)
5. Re: Shipping, Billing, etc (Ian Stirling)
6. Re: Possible App - Security (Christian St?ble)
7. Re: Possible App - Security (Henryk Pl?tz)
8. Re: Shipping, Billing, etc (Rodolphe Ortalo)
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From: "Daniel Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:15:28 -0700
Subject: Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
I had some concerns about this also. There has been very little info
coming out from OpenMoko about the number of units of each type that have
been ordered by developers and how many are available. Moreover, there
hasn't been any information about where we are in the queue. All that has
been said is that you get one email, then you get another email, then you
get your dev unit.
Do they expect me to keep hitting the refresh button like some blue-haired
lady playing the nickel slots?
On 7/19/07, Giles Jones < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Benjamin Flanagin < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>
> > The limited number of neo's have got me worried that I might not be in
> > the first batch. Have anyone been charged for the device yet? I'm
> ready
> > to learn the ways of Openmoko Ninjitsu.
> >
>
> One person has confirmed on the list that their order has been
> processed.
>
> There's a few factors, first there's two colours. Secondly there's two
> kits, the phone only and the phone + dev board kits.
>
> Maybe the white and orange versions will be in more supply?
>
> ---
> G O Jones
>
>
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From: Peter Trapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:39:42 +0200
Subject: Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
I'm not concerned about the number of units. It's more about the
delivery date. On
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ:
Are there enough phones for the number of orders? Will FIC produce
another GTA01 batch if needed?
>Of course. Please note that there is a lead time of four to six weeks.
I don't want to wait another 6 weeks (~ End of August) to buy GTA02 2
month later...
Daniel Robinson wrote:
> I had some concerns about this also. There has been very little info
> coming out from OpenMoko about the number of units of each type that
> have been ordered by developers and how many are available. Moreover,
> there hasn't been any information about where we are in the queue.
> All that has been said is that you get one email, then you get another
> email, then you get your dev unit.
>
> Do they expect me to keep hitting the refresh button like some
> blue-haired lady playing the nickel slots?
>
>
> On 7/19/07, *Giles Jones* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> Benjamin Flanagin < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote :
>
> > The limited number of neo's have got me worried that I might not
> be in
> > the first batch. Have anyone been charged for the device yet?
> I'm ready
> > to learn the ways of Openmoko Ninjitsu.
> >
>
> One person has confirmed on the list that their order has been
> processed.
>
> There's a few factors, first there's two colours. Secondly there's
> two kits, the phone only and the phone + dev board kits.
>
> Maybe the white and orange versions will be in more supply?
>
> ---
> G O Jones
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "Shakthi Kannan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:46:01 +0200
Subject: Re: projects of interest?
Hi,
> On 7/19/07, Andreas Jellinghaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> I would like to train my vocabulary while in the subway.
> a simple application that shows me a word, and when I tab
> ob it the translation with two buttons ok / wrong
I use FlashBack (but, no sound support):
http://freshmeat.net/projects/flashback
It will be useful to have an application like the above with sound
support.
If there are a number of people interested in contributing some .ogg
sounds for alphabets/words, we can even make it as a language learning
tool!
Of course, grammar for each language should be addressed. Also,
translation of words for different languages will be useful.
SK
--
Shakthi Kannan
http://www.shakthimaan.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Shakthi Kannan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 19:01:12 +0200
Subject: Operator Acceptance Testing
Hi,
I would like your thoughts on how FIC or the community is going to
work on Operator Acceptance Testing and Interoperability Testing for
the Neo1973.
I see some GSM implementation here:
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM02.07
Has anyone had a chance to have a discussion with operators on this?
Appreciate any inputs.
Thanks,
SK
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Shakthi Kannan
http://www.shakthimaan.com
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ian Stirling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 18:04:44 +0100
Subject: Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
Peter Trapp wrote:
> I'm not concerned about the number of units. It's more about the
> delivery date. On
>
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1_FAQ:
>
> Are there enough phones for the number of orders? Will FIC produce
> another GTA01 batch if needed?
> >Of course. Please note that there is a lead time of four to six weeks.
>
>
> I don't want to wait another 6 weeks (~ End of August) to buy GTA02 2
> month later...
>
Based on basic sums of tickets and phones per order, it seems likely
that the number of phones ordered is 800-1500 or so.
It is very likely that there will be a delay.
If they kicked off the production process for the next batch on the 10th
- after having several hundred orders - then 4 weeks comes around the
8th of August. Probably another week at least for shipping.
So, at best, another month.
At worst - if nobodies pressed the button, and the production time is 6
weeks, and this doesn't happen till they get the first batch out the
door, we might be looking at the first days of November.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Christian Stüble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ramsesoriginal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:11:11 +0200
Subject: Re: Possible App - Security
Moin moin,
the problem with voice encryption on mobile phones is not the
cryptographic
scheme. Its the (relatively small) bandwidth, especially on the GSM Data
channel, and the latency due to lots of buffers.
Chris
Am Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2007 09:35 schrieb ramsesoriginal:
> Ok, I never made nothing with encryption on phones, but wouldn't it be
> enough to make some sort of public key system, which works as follows:
> When i want to cal lsomeone, the phone generates a random digit.. . IT
> encodes it with the public key of the reciver and when he acepts the
call,
> it sends it. The reciver derypts it. And then simply encrypt the call
with
> this session key. Or did i miss something?
>
> On 7/18/07, Christian Stüble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hola,
> >
> > we are planning to develop several security-related applications on
top
> > of the
> > Neo device. Voice encryption is only one of them.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Chris
> >
> > Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 11:36 schrieb COMINT:
> > > Hi there
> > >
> > > I'm interested in putting together an encryption app to allow secure
> > > voice calls over the GSM data call facility.
> > >
> > > I'm looking for one or more people that would be interested in
working
> > > together to get something running on the neo.
> > >
> > > If anyone is interested please drop me an email.
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > >
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> >
> > --
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> > Tel: +49(234) 610071-111, Fax: +49(234) 610071-500
> > Public key on demand.
> > Fingerprint 8678 C5D3 CAD9 CD8C F1DD B8EC 202F 116A
> >
> > Vorstand: Ammar Alkassar (Vors.), Ahmad-Reza Sadeghi, Christian Stüble
> > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrates: Prof. Dr. Kai Rannenberg
> > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Homburg/Saar, HRB 3857 Amtsgericht Saarbrücken
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Henryk Plötz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:08:52 +0200
Subject: Re: Possible App - Security
Moin,
Am Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:36:56 +0100 schrieb COMINT:
> I'm interested in putting together an encryption app to allow secure
> voice calls over the GSM data call facility.
The main problem that you're facing when you want to do voice encryption
using the GSM data facility is not the encryption part: there are good
and working libraries and examples available so that this is almost
straight forward (if you need an inspiration just look at
cryptophone.de). Encryption and key handshake are solved problems,
especially if you have a device as powerful as the Neo. Your actual
problem will be finding a voice codec that you can use in spite of the
ridiculously low bandwidth of GSM data calls.
--
Henryk Plötz
Grüße aus Berlin
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Rodolphe Ortalo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:09:48 +0200
Subject: Re: Shipping, Billing, etc
Le jeudi 19 juillet 2007 à 18:04 +0100, Ian Stirling a écrit :
[...]
> At worst - if nobodies pressed the button, and the production time is 6
> weeks, and this doesn't happen till they get the first batch out the
> door, we might be looking at the first days of November.
[...]
Sob. ("Snif" in original language.)
Well, that's not such bad news if there are lots of orders...
BOOUUUHH...
Rodolphe
I will really need to to write yet another toy app to wait until then,
any ideas?
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