Jeff Rush wrote:
1. Our community is small -- spreading the discussions thinly before we have
reached critical mass will dilute the synergy. We are just now starting to
come together as a community, and I think we even have too many mailing lists
as it is (not always clear on which one to discuss X).
~1000 users isn't necessarily that small. And I would be willing to bet
that there are quite a decent number of people that actually are
interested but just don't want to sign up with a mailing list. I'll be
honest and say that this is the first mailing list that I have ever
participated in despite being very much involved with the technical
industry. I was very hesitant to sign up (fear of the unknown, maybe).
Anyway, even now that I am getting involved with it, I still do not like
this interface. I would much prefer a forum style, and would think that
quite a few people (non-techies) would be of the same opinion.
2. The OpenMoko team at FIC are spread _very_ thin and lack the time/resources
to research and establish a forum themselves. They were overloaded just
getting a basic storefront up. I don't understand why a company the size of
FIC isn't providing more logistics support to them, so they can focus on the
hardware/software but that's the way it is today.
Agreed. But I don't think that is a very valid point. What percentage
of the communication of this list comes from actual FIC employees,
pretty low. So, just like it is now, the community would provide the
bulk of the answers.
3. Because of #2 and the fact this is the world of free/open, groups are
welcome to establish a forum someplace and announce it here. In fact no one
can stop it. Then instead of debating it you apply the governance principle
of open source, in that if you build it will they come. If so, you were
right. If not, you were wrong. A very objective approach.
Again, you are correct. There are plenty of examples where the dominant
discussions of products/services/whatever comes from a non-official
source. So, if someone wants to put this together, then I think that
would be a great thing to do. However, having all of the information be
in a single location would provide a much better unified experience for
the users.
And for those (another thread) who are looking for someone official to tell
them how this or that is going to be done on the device, I think we as a
community will be applying #3 above - teams will form and follow their (quite
likely divergent) visions. Those who (1) produce results that (2) some
significant portion of the community approve of will have their work
integrated into the core as required/optional packages. And some fraction of
those will be cherry-picked by FIC for delivery in the consumer distribution.
And perhaps other flash images will arise targeted at "the power user" and
"the gaming user" and "the multimedia user".
Being open source folks and time-constrained themselves, I rather think that
the OpenMoko team will be blessing running code and not managing the various
teams that form. And that is good, because they cannot see the future uses of
this device any better than we at this point. Not a planned economy but a
chaotic marketplace of competing ideas, where decisions are made in the
free/opensource tradition of "running code" and "rough concensus". Scary
sure, but also refreshing and very exciting.
-Jeff
I think its healthy to discuss both pros and cons of the ideas, so feel
free to rebuttal my comments. However, I am of the opinion that a forum
would do a greater benefit than harm. Feel free to disagree, but that
is just my take in this situation.
-Jonathon
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