Ian: Thanks! Is Jalimo superior to AWT? I don't want to use Swing if it runs slow on the NEO. I'm not familiar with GTK is it fast? Thanks... Walls.
PS: Wanted my compass digital/internal for game usage. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Send community mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, > visit > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > or, via email, send a message with subject or body > 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it > is more specific > than "Re: Contents of community digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: JavaFX (Ian Darwin) > 2. Re: Digital Compass & JavaFX (Georg > Michelitsch) > 3. Re: Digital Compass & JavaFX (Schmidt Andr?s) > 4. Re: Digital Compass & JavaFX (Georg > Michelitsch) > 5. Re: digital compass modules (joerg) > 6. Re: digital compass modules (Tilman Baumann) > 7. Re: digital compass modules (Robin Paulson) > 8. Re: digital compass modules (joerg) > 9. Re: Digital Compass & JavaFX (joerg) > 10. Re: digital compass modules (Denis) > > From: Ian Darwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: List for OpenMoko community discussion > <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 12:25:00 -0500 > Subject: Re: JavaFX > > Wallace Jackson wrote: > > ... Also, I saw a NEO1973 on Sun's > > JavaFX announcement release on-line, behind the > > presenter (bigger than life!)... Does this mean > that > > JavaFX is ready to rock for NEO application? > > No. Sun were nice enough to credit OpenMoko for > making a superior Linux > phone (see their blogs from June 2007). But the > JavaFX package is a > complete linux distro with JavaFX installed, based > on work at a smaller > JavaME licensee (Savaje) that Sun acquired. My guess > is that this will > be released next week or the week after, whenever > Sun's Mobile & > Embedded workshop is. Heck, I don't even know if it > uses X (like > OpenMoko) or direct FB (like QTopia). But it will > probably NOT be easily > miscible with the OpenMoko software. It's a complete > phone stack, like > OpenMoko, like Android, like QTopia. > > Now if you want Java for the OpenMoko stack, that > does exist, as Jalimo > (among others). See http://www.jalimo.org. You can > run command line > (ssh'd into the phone), AWT, Swing (a bit slow), or > GTK-In-Java. > > See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Java for an > overview of Java projects. > > > > From: Georg Michelitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: List for OpenMoko community discussion > <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:26:17 +0100 > Subject: Re: Digital Compass & JavaFX > > Wallace Jackson wrote on 01/23/2008 05:45 PM: > > A digital compass would be a nice feature for VIA > > (OpenMoko) to have in the phone as a hardware > default. > > Is it inexpensive enough in quantity to include in > the > > shipping release!? Also, I saw a NEO1973 on Sun's > > JavaFX announcement release on-line, behind the > > presenter (bigger than life!)... Does this mean > that > > JavaFX is ready to rock for NEO application? > > > > Wallace Jackson, Mind Taffy Design & > Acrobat-3D.com > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > I my opinion, including another piece of hardware on > the Neo (and in > detail a device which needs to be isolated from any > magnetic influences > by other components) would cause big changes in the > hardware layout, so > for the Neo1973 it's surely impossible (or only > possible with again some > months of delay caused by testing, etc). But if you > really like to have > one on this phone, maybe you can add a little > compass (no electrical > module, a "real" compass) into one of the alternate > cases, just a tiny > little thing of let's say 1cm in diameter. If its > really small that > shouldn't cause a big problem and maybe there are > some others interested > in some kind of stuff like that too. Disadvantage: > It'll always be there > and and need to keep your phone in horizontal > orientation to read it. > > Greets, > Georg > > -- > > > > > > From: Schmidt András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: List for OpenMoko community discussion > <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 18:40:27 +0100 > Subject: Re: Digital Compass & JavaFX > > At least this solution consumes zero energy :-) > > Georg Michelitsch wrote: > > I my opinion, including another piece of hardware > on the Neo (and in > > detail a device which needs to be isolated from > any magnetic influences > > by other components) would cause big changes in > the hardware layout, so > > for the Neo1973 it's surely impossible (or only > possible with again some > > months of delay caused by testing, etc). But if > you really like to have > > one on this phone, maybe you can add a little > compass (no electrical > > module, a "real" compass) into one of the > alternate cases, just a tiny > > little thing of let's say 1cm in diameter. If its > really small that > > shouldn't cause a big problem and maybe there are > some others interested > > in some kind of stuff like that too. Disadvantage: > It'll always be there > > and and need to keep your phone in horizontal > orientation to read it. > > > > Greets, > > Georg > > > > > > > > > From: Georg Michelitsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: List for OpenMoko community discussion > <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:04:52 +0100 > Subject: Re: Digital Compass & JavaFX > > Schmidt András wrote on 01/23/2008 06:40 PM: > > At least this solution consumes zero energy :-) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > Zero energy on the side of FIC, but a lot of work > for the case > designers.. I'm not really a designer but I imagine > that it isn't really > easy to create something like a phone case. > > -- > > > > > > From: joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: List for OpenMoko community discussion > <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:16:11 +0100 > Subject: Re: digital compass modules > > Am Mi 23. Januar 2008 schrieb Sébastien Lorquet: > > I'm not sure a magnetic sensor is useful when you > have a GPS, because a GPS > > can give you a heading as soon as the measured > velocity is not zero! > You get heading of *velocity vector*, NOT heading of > *device*! So for Andras' > intended use, this is worth nothing. It works only > for objects like a car > that supposedly are not able to move in a direction > different to "straight > forward". I even guess if you drive backwards with > your car, the map on those > navi-units will rotate top down. > > j > > > > From: Tilman Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: List for OpenMoko community discussion > <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:22:32 +0100 > Subject: Re: digital compass modules > > François TOURDE wrote: > > Le 13901ième jour après Epoch, > > Schmidt András écrivait: > > > >> Tilman Baumann wrote: > >>> Bluetooth would be nice. You would need no > hardware hacks on the > >>> phone itself. > >>> Should be pretty easy to hack a > bluetooth->serial converter (like > >>> BlueSMiRF from sparkfun) to the sensor. Maybe > with a little > >>> microcontroller glue in between. > >>> Bluetooth is very simple to code and simple to > handle. > >> I was thinking about two possible applications: > >> > >> 1. The map of a GPS map viewer application > turns when you turn the > >> machine so it is always aligned with the > environment (this feature > >> is included on some GPS tools.) > > > > Maybe the 3D accels can do that. And the GPS can > be used as a bearing > > indicator, when you move. No magnetic device > needed in this case. > > Gyroscopes is what you look for. ;) > Accelerameters don't see rotational movings. > > > > From: "Robin Paulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "List for OpenMoko community discussion" > <[email protected]> > Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:23:33 +1300 > Subject: Re: digital compass modules > > On 24/01/2008, Schmidt András <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I have the same opinion though I don't know what > INS resolves to :-). > > Could you tell what INS stands for? > > Thanks! > > inertial navigation system > > i.e. i know where i am now, if i measure the > distance i move and the > direction i go in, i will know where i am again in > the future. repeat > over and over again to continuously update my > position. unfortunately, > errors are summed and quickly become quite big > > > > From: joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: List for OpenMoko community discussion > <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:41:49 +0100 > Subject: Re: digital compass modules > > Am Mi 23. Januar 2008 schrieb Tilman Baumann: > > François TOURDE wrote: > > > > Maybe the 3D accels can do that. And the GPS can > be used as a bearing > > > indicator, when you move. No magnetic device > needed in this case. > As stated in prev posting, GPS _can_not_ deliver > bearing of device at all. > Imagine having the GTA in your pocket while moving - > there's not the faintest > relation between movement vector as seen by GPS and > bearing of GTA. > > > > > Gyroscopes is what you look for. ;) > > Accelerameters don't see rotational movings. > Though gyro won't help here at all, i think TWO > 3D-accelerometers placed some > distance from each other in a system make a nice > gyro with the aid of some > mathematics in driver. IIRC there was mentioned more > than one acc-meter for > the GTA. I thought that's exactly for this purpose. > > jOERG > > > > From: joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: List for OpenMoko community discussion > <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:50:19 +0100 > Subject: Re: Digital Compass & JavaFX > > Am Mi 23. Januar 2008 schrieb Wallace Jackson: > > A digital compass would be a nice feature for VIA > > (OpenMoko) to have in the phone as a hardware > default. > > Is it inexpensive enough in quantity to include in > the > > shipping release!? > http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=7892 > > Price: $44.95 > > 10-99: $40.46 each (10% off) > 100 or more: $35.96 each (20% off) > > :-( > jOERG > > > > > From: Denis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "List for OpenMoko community discussion" > <[email protected]> > Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:05:34 +0300 > Subject: Re: digital compass modules > > I think the accelerometers don't provide enough > accuracy. > > 2008/1/23, joerg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Am Mi 23. Januar 2008 schrieb Tilman Baumann: > > > François TOURDE wrote: > > > > > > Maybe the 3D accels can do that. And the GPS > can be used as a bearing > > > > indicator, when you move. No magnetic device > needed in this case. > > As stated in prev posting, GPS _can_not_ deliver > bearing of device at all. > > Imagine having the GTA in your pocket while moving > - there's not the > > faintest > > relation between movement vector as seen by GPS > and bearing of GTA. > > > > > > > > Gyroscopes is what you look for. ;) > > > Accelerameters don't see rotational movings. > > Though gyro won't help here at all, i think TWO > 3D-accelerometers placed > > some > > distance from each other in a system make a nice > gyro with the aid of some > > mathematics in driver. IIRC there was mentioned > more than one acc-meter for > > the GTA. I thought that's exactly for this > purpose. > > > > jOERG > > > > _______________________________________________ > > OpenMoko community mailing list > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenMoko community mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ _______________________________________________ OpenMoko community mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
