On Sunday 20 April 2008 15:14:58 ramsesoriginal wrote: > On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 2:51 PM, kenneth marken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Sunday 20 April 2008 14:23:26 Stefano Cavallari wrote: > > > You can potentially use less bandwidth if you choose more intelligent > > > codecs. And yes I'm for paying actual bandwidth for mobile Internet. > > > The Internet doesn't mean necessarily broadband and flat prices. > > > And remember that IM is way more efficient (both from the human and > > > the hw point of view) and cheap than VoIP, so many people would just > > > switch to IM. It's because of absurd SMS costs and size limits that > > > few uses them. > > > > my impression is that sms is used far more then phone calls here in > > norway for quick and simple communications. > > As far as I can see it, sms is way more used then calling in the > private field, but calling is more used in the buisness field. >
i guess it depends on how high priority the communication has in the "senders" mind. sms is very much a "when you have time" kind of system. im steps it up a notch via its presence system. and a phone call is very much a "drop everything else, NOW!" way of communicating. > > im systems have the problem that they are just that, systems. sure, one > > could use jabber as a glue, but most of my contacts are on msn, not > > jabber. and in other parts of the world its aol and yahoo messenger that > > counts. > > XMPP (ex Jabber) [1] gives the possibity through so-called "gateways" > to talk to other services. I for example talk through jabber to my > friends in icq, in msn and in yahoo talk. But, like the article says, > xmpp has even the possibility to combine im and sms. Having such a > system on a phone shure makes sms obsolete. > > > same deal with voip systems. the most popular is skype, but thats a > > closed system. as in, the only client that can access it is the official, > > closed source client. > > That's really true. And sad. But a system like the one used by XMPP, > just in the voip field (I think even XMPP is going that way), would > really make the pstn obsolete. And even more: voip has often the > possibility to make calls to pstn and recive calls from it: so if a > phone is equipped with a gien voip system fine, else you simply call > the pstn network through the voip system. > ah yes. i forgot about all that. and yes, it would be quite the solution. now that i think about it i have been pondering converting email into xmpp, given the recent interest in push email and all that... as in, why use multiple protocols when one can use one? > > so when going from current systems to voip and im (and current voip > > clients can often double as voip clients, or the other way round) your > > just pushing the abstraction back a step. > > > > oh, and isnt the "4G" LTE system thats supposed to take over for UMTS at > > some point in the future planned as a IP based system? as in, any voice > > calls performed will be done via voip anyways. its just that the handsets > > and the network operators have agreed on a common standard. > > I don't know about this, but it sounds intresting.. > indeed. but i cant say i have kept up to speed on recent developments. this is only something i picked up from wikipedia and similar sources, so... > > question is, will said voip standard be implementable in open source > > ways. or are the controls required by the telcos so stringent (for fear > > of someone finding a way to shut the system down) that only big corps can > > do it in a black box fashion? > > That's often the question, and if companies like OpenMoko become > known, the possibility of having an Open Source implementation also > grow. > > > I also would say that I don't know about Stefano, but i thought of > this as a modular system when I read this mail: If you feel the need > for gsm you put in the gsm module, if you think oyu need 4g you put in > that chip, and if you think you need something else, then simply use > something else. Doing this way you, for know, you simply creatre the > gsm module. Then you create some 4g module, and people can buy it, > upgrade their "phone", put it in a new barebone system, or whatever > they want. Having a modular approach gives true freedome, in my > opinion > hmm, pcmcia or expresscard? i recall early ipaq pdas had a sleeve for those kinds of addons that allowed the humble pda to access wifi and gsm networks. added quite a bit of bulk tho. and was not a similar sleeve system bounced around for the neo? primarily for use with wifi? > > [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMPP _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community