Hi Ron,
Please first of all, I'm not a developer only a enthusiatic openmoko fan with a 
lot of willing but no time at all ,only to write/read some here and there. so 
don't take me much seriously please.
It will be acceptable for you to run for you to do from a shell some commands, 
one comand, an aplicantion with a gui? not a retoric cuestion I really want to 
know you consider is you barelly minimum to start, not even think in the user 
end version just right now what will be you minimum -
A lot of phones got a PC app companion to ease and in some cases automate some 
tasks Update will be one of those task. I think is a good starting app to 
colaborate on because I am interested to easy this kind of task.to,myself 
too.and I think I will be able to make that kind of script that check if there 
is an update to download, download it, backup some data, update, and restore 
data again (this data can be a list of software installed via ipkg, and the 
home directory or watever the customizations done on the phone where stored. in 
addition of the PIM data of course)
I have made some script kidding and some try to make an app to do such a PC 
Suite like the sony ericsoon one (barely only a fucntionalities list, an some 
gtk  forms void of code  on monodevelop, and  some bluetooth/usb obex/AT 
testing) but a lot of this work can be reused/reoriented to do something 
similar to Openmoko even more easyly to code because you can do over 
ssh/sftp/scp or even vnc in a some kind of all-in-one app that avoid to use the 
shell as much as posible, did you consider such a app usefull? It can be 
affordable for very beguinners (like me) so I have just send this proposal as 
project to projects.openmoko.org

For shure the phone itself can do a lot of this things alone but some things 
can just be more confortable on a big screen an a full keyboard/mouse PC if 
aviable
"Ron K. Jeffries" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:umy screed apparently did not 
communicate what 
I meant to ask. bear with me. (donning fireproof clothing).

As an Ubuntu *user* every now and then I get an alert that
upgrades are available. If I say "yes" it automagically fires up
 a package manager. I enter the my root password,
and  a few minutes later it's a done deal. Smooth, easy,
does not require IQ of 175+

for a major Ubuntu upgrade, e,g from Gutsy 7.10 
to Hardy 8.04, I select an upgrade button, and 
 sit back while magic happened.

when I rebooted, I was on 8.04.

I did NOT lose my address book, either. <g>

ok that last comment was a bit snarky.
and uncalled for.

pls remember, I DO understand that for the next
 six months or maybe 12 months, the environment
and software stability is not intended for "just users"
like me.

and maybe Freerunner forever remains a niche 
device for Linux developers and hackers.
 That's OK. But then technical users 9but non-hackers)
may be better served by some other flavor of Linux 
mobile phone.

Just sayin'.

-- 
Ron K. Jeffries


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