-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You are totally right.At T-Mobile Germany you can reserve an iPhone 3G. You can only get it with an contract thant is far more expensive than comparable contracts of T-Mobile Germany. The "cheapest" (24 month-) contract Complete S is 5 € more expensive than a comparable one. With this contract the price for the iPhone 3G with 8GB is249€.
So, now let's calculate: 5€ /month * 24 = 120 € 120+249 = 369 € = 574$ And this is not completle correct, cause in germany nearly every phone is subsidized. For my new contract without phone you can get between 150 € (233$) and 400 € (622$) at resellers. For a small contract like the one I used at the top it is around 200 €. so we are around 569€ (884 $). I think this is everything but cheap. Of course be careful with this calculation. But for a tendence is can be used. And yet a little hint: the 16GB one will cost 499€ (776$) with contract (even with the expensive ones which go up to 90€(140$)/month). I don't want to calculate the price of the iPhone, i just want to explain, that it does NOT cost 299$. Greetings Bastian Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) schrieb: | On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:16:40 +0000 "Jorge ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: | |> Robert Taylor wrote: |>> On the new Iphones, you HAVETO get a 2 year contract. |>> If you decide to quit you will pay a fee that will total up greater than |>> the $600 the phone is worth. |> The first iPhone was released june 29/2007 and the first hacked that allow |> you to use it with any operator was announced on july 9/2007. It will happen |> again and unlocked iPhones 3G will be available, it does not matter if the |> first bunch are stolen, second hand or refurbished, it short time everyone |> will be able to buy an iPhone 3G without contract for almost the same price |> than it contract. Then we will be able to compare unsubsidized iphones with |> moko. until that moment lets end the flame :-) but if I am right the iPhone |> will be cheaper even unsubsidized. (although i would buy a moko anyway) | | not so simple. i think he business plan is changing because before this | happened with the 1st iphone. people could buy without contract. it was assumed | that the phone lock would force people to get a contract anyway and apple bore | the risk by losing out on their cut of the carrier's revenue (at&t). so they | sold it at $399 or $499 etc. and din't get any money from at&t after that. | | now it changes with the 3g iphone. you must sign up when you buy. sure - you | can now take that phone, unlock it, re-sell it, but you are stuck with a | contract you must keep paying for... with no phone to use on that contract | unless you buy another phone - outright. there will be contract termination | clauses if you want to cancel then and this will help cover the subsidy - of | not completely cover it and then some. | | sure - some (a very few) phones will somehow be smuggled from the factory or | from shipments before they get to an apple or at&t or other carrier store, and | some may be sold "under the counter" without contract - but i guarantee that | that likely is a business losing proposition for anyone as they get a rebate | once they sign you on a contract. selling without a contract will mean hey have | to jack up the price to cover the lost rebate money. | | as such - legal, legitimate and easy to get 3g iphones WITHOUT contract are | going to be much more than $199. | |>>> furthermore the freedom, there is a war for the smartphones market and a |>>> freephone have to be competitive in price, not only in quality and |>>> philosophy. |>>>> This is only true if you do what you are insisting on doing, comparing |>> things that are not of equal value. While it is fine for consumers to |>> be ignorant of these facts and actually think your argument is valid, |>> it's not correct on this thread as you are clearly educated and |>> understand the reality of the situation. |> |> not equal value? Moko, iPhone, iRiver, Blackberry... we are talking about |> smartphones, and money is money. If you buy an orange, and apple or a pinable |> you pay with money!! every fruit have advantages and disadvantages, but you |> pay anyway |> |> _________________________________________________________________ |> Do more with your photos with Windows Live Photo Gallery. |> http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_photos_022008 |> _______________________________________________ |> Openmoko community mailing list |> firstname.lastname@example.org |> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community | | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIUAzUlYiDScJJ+7QRAgAQAKDdPmh7mEozFztWzV/gQPGp+ab3SACghrp4 IgwHYZhD6aY4VOxlWfBRXkI= =+AlJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Openmoko community mailing list email@example.com http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community