# Re: Free Runner price vs iphone 3G price - Things clear

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You are totally right.At T-Mobile Germany you can reserve an iPhone 3G.
You can only get it with an contract thant is far more expensive than
comparable contracts of T-Mobile Germany. The "cheapest" (24 month-)
contract Complete S  is 5 € more expensive than a comparable one. With
this contract the price for the iPhone 3G with 8GB is249€.```
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So, now let's calculate:
5€ /month * 24 = 120 €
120+249 = 369 € = 574\$

And this is not completle correct, cause in germany nearly every phone
is subsidized. For my new contract without phone you can get between 150
€ (233\$) and 400 € (622\$) at resellers. For a small contract like the
one I used at the top it is around 200 €.

so we are around 569€ (884 \$). I think this is everything but cheap.

Of course be careful with this calculation. But for a tendence is can be
used.
And yet a little hint: the 16GB one will cost 499€ (776\$) with contract
(even with the expensive ones which go up to 90€(140\$)/month).

I don't want to calculate the price of the iPhone, i just want to
explain, that it does NOT cost 299\$.

Greetings Bastian

Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) schrieb:
| On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:16:40 +0000 "Jorge ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
babbled:
|
|> Robert Taylor wrote:
|>> On the new Iphones, you HAVETO get a 2 year contract.
|>> If you decide to quit you will pay a fee that will total up greater than
|>> the \$600 the phone is worth.
|> The first iPhone was released june 29/2007 and the first hacked that
allow
|> you to use it with any operator was announced on july 9/2007. It will
happen
|> again and unlocked iPhones 3G will be available, it does not matter
if the
|> first bunch are stolen, second hand or refurbished, it short time
everyone
|> will be able to buy an iPhone 3G without contract for almost the same
price
|> than it contract. Then we will be able to compare unsubsidized
iphones with
|> moko. until that moment lets end the flame :-) but if I am right the
iPhone
|> will be cheaper even unsubsidized. (although i would buy a moko anyway)
|
| not so simple. i think he business plan is changing because before this
| happened with the 1st iphone. people could buy without contract. it
was assumed
| that the phone lock would force people to get a contract anyway and
apple bore
| the risk by losing out on their cut of the carrier's revenue (at&t).
so they
| sold it at \$399 or \$499 etc. and din't get any money from at&t after that.
|
- you
| can now take that phone, unlock it, re-sell it, but you are stuck with a
| contract you must keep paying for... with no phone to use on that contract
| unless you buy another phone - outright. there will be contract
termination
| clauses if you want to cancel then and this will help cover the
subsidy - of
| not completely cover it and then some.
|
| sure - some (a very few) phones will somehow be smuggled from the
factory or
| from shipments before they get to an apple or at&t or other carrier
store, and
| some may be sold "under the counter" without contract - but i
guarantee that
| that likely is a business losing proposition for anyone as they get a
rebate
| once they sign you on a contract. selling without a contract will mean
hey have
| to jack up the price to cover the lost rebate money.
|
| as such - legal, legitimate and easy to get 3g iphones WITHOUT
contract are
| going to be much more than \$199.
|
|>>> furthermore the freedom, there is a war for the smartphones market
and a
|>>> freephone have to be competitive  in price, not only in quality and
|>>> philosophy.
|>>>> This is only true if you do what you are insisting on doing, comparing
|>> things that are not of equal value. While it is fine for consumers to
|>> be ignorant of these facts and actually think your argument is valid,
|>> it's not correct on this thread as you are clearly educated and
|>> understand the reality of the situation.
|>
|> not equal value? Moko, iPhone, iRiver, Blackberry... we are talking about
|> smartphones, and money is money. If you buy an orange, and apple or a
pinable
but you
|> pay anyway
|>
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