Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:06:32 +0200 "Marco Trevisan (Treviño)" <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> > babbled: > > >>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:13:39 +0200 Bumbl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: >>> >>> >>>> http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-01.png >>>> http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-02.png >>>> http://www.rasterman.com/files/illume-new-03.png >>>> >>>> Are these mockups or where can I obtain this theme. >>>> >>>> It looks amazingly good. >>>> >>> i don't do mockups... :) they pollute! :) it's real. ignore the clock and >>> its background - that's just a test app i wrote (called Ello). i'm in the >>> middle of doing illume extensions to e17's nw default theme. >>> >> Woow! That's really amazing... Rasterman you're always the only who can >> make us dreaming even more. >> > > don't think it's amazing. :) it's just using the power already lurking under > the hood there with edje etc. i generally code things to have much more power > than is apparent - with simple changes of configuration/data files. i like to > do it this way because i know most people are not coders. they should not rely > on programmers to just be able to change a look and feel. this is something i > prefer to put into the hands of users as much as possible. sometimes it > complicates a lot of things - but in the end, it is worth it. i'm just using > the power already there. you can too! there's a toango theme which is also > doing > it! > > e (and also illume) are built in a way where this can be flexible and right > now > in om's asu (2008.08) you're relatively limited. you can change theme. e does > have a whole config profile system where you can quickly change the entire > setup to a previously stored profile you have with an instant flip. i've > started using them more heavily in some last changes i made to asu (2008.08/on > to 2008.09) and fso - so they use asu and fso profiles respectively. anyway... > there needs to be work on the ui look and feel to make it at least "out of the > box" impressive enough to have people drool and go "i want me some of that > open > source stuff there!" > > >> Btw I didn't read before the bad news about leaving Openmoko [1]... This >> made me really so much sad. Reading your latest mail I figured that your >> relationship with Om was not going so well (didn't they leave you enough >> space of developing how and what you'd have liked?), but I really hoped >> that this wouldn't ever happen... :( >> >> Now that enlightenment is so important for Openmoko, what will be our >> future? Since the main E developer isn't anymore part of Openmoko, its >> development won't be anymore Om-focussed; then Rasterman in the near >> future could be occupied in other things, so his interest for e-embedded >> could decrease and with it also the quality of the software that we'll use. >> > > it'll be focused on what i want. trust me - been quietly preparing for > embedded > for many years - and it still interests me a lot. i will be doing stuff - but > pretty much on my own terms as to what i see is right. what i see as right of > course is heavily influenced by what users want and need and say they have > problems with - i generally would take that and digest it into an acceptable > technical solution in the end. it isn't always perfect - it's hard to be. but > you can give it a good go and try and get a lot of the way there. users are > also not just nerds.. they are also "what would my grandmother do?" general > questions. try and cover both groups - "make it an option". options come in > many varieties. sometimes its better as an installable app/package, sometimes > it > just takes too much work to do that, sometimes its better as a runtime option, > sometimes as something else. sometimes you can do it both ways and not make it > bad for either group (keep everyone happy) :). i generally prefer runtime > options u do not need to install - if they come at "pretty much no extra > cost". > no magic packages to find or be told about. just browse the config options (in > advanced mode) and fiddle until it does what you want :) > > >> However there's another question to Openmoko: another important >> developer left openmoko; unfortunately he's not the first of the list. >> Why this happens so often? In every message I've read about, it's always >> stated that there's no so much "openness" as it should be. >> This won't to be a flame, but we all know how people like Rasterman are >> important for the project. I can't really understand how we can throw >> those opportunities away... >> > > what's about that clock is this a widget or what is it it would be cool if had something like openmoko-today - bugs for fso / e and illume
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