people,
i tend to agree with Rui as well. i understand it is difficult to
'kill your darlings' but what is the (business) sense to have '8
distributions for 10.000 phones'? (the only reason i can think of is
some innovative user interface, and not one of the current
distributions has anything interesting to offer, including android.)
but, i am a happy openmoko customer proudly showing off, my phone is
not bricking away. and even though i still have to put it 'to sleep'
on my router to avoid a WSOD it is my daily phone. i am a happy qt
extended user stalking sean for a working android image. sometimes i
have my hopes up and flash to something else (yesterday it was SHR)
but i usually 'flash back' to qt extended within half an hour.
so, imho, you can do whatever you want. but if you pull your resources
and help sean get android-on-freerunner 'to market' quickly you will
sell some more bricks. (because the brick is really really great!)
groet,
jurg.
On Dec 10, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Giorgio Marci wrote:
I'm completly agree with Rui.
The fact is that today, after several months, we have a phone that
is not (yet) fully working.
As my experience i tried all the distributions and the better one
(in my very personal opinion) is the SHR
that (unfortunately) doesn't include a phone calls manager, an sms
manager (a decent one), a profile
configurator (ring tone, and other stuffs) and a lot of other
things..they are following the right way,
but they need time and in the meanwhile our phones are fully of
dust!!
There is the necessity to focus our effort in the development of a
distribution that could
be usable (i.e. android) in order to have (finally) a fully working
daily phone!!
This is the priority.
I don't have expercience with low level programming, but i know java
as well and
if i could i'd like to help to achieve this goal as soon as possible.
Giorgio
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Castro"
To: "List for Openmoko community discussion"
Subject: [Android] Converting a brick into a phone
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:58:43 +0000
Hi,
Like many people in this community I have my Neo resting comfortably
in my desk because there isn't a stable OS with the basic phone
funcionalities available at the moment (I already tried all the
distributions available). Some distributions provide some of the basic
stuff, but they're not reliable in many ways.
Today I read a message from Wolfgang Spraul in the thread about the
end of the Optimization Team that got me worried "The way things are
going right now, we will probably have this release mid-next year.".
Well, I think this is very bad. Electronic equipment, like
phones/computers, become outdated in a very short period of time
(GTA03 is already being created). By the mid-next year Neo will be
pretty much an old phone and nobody really used it, yet.
I think Android is the best candidate to turn the Neo into a daily
usable phone right away. It has all the basic (and not so basic)
applications, it has a good usability, good looks and the number of
users/applications will grow very rapidly in the next months, I
think.
The current state of the Android port for Neo is already very
encoraging and with a little effort from the community (and Openmoko
people) Android could be fully functional in the Freerunner in a
couple of weeks.
Sean McNeil has been doing a great work, but as I see it, he is
basically the only one working on the low level problems. My personal
experience is more at the application level (Java), but with a little
guidance I'm willing to help in any way.
What I would like to see is some sort of list of things to do and how
could the people from the community help doing them.
I don't have much experience with open-souce projects, maybe I'm the
only one that doesn't know how to help. If this is the case, please
forgive this message :)
Best regards,
Rui
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