Thank you for the schematics, i thought we are talking about neo900. I did not know about gta04. So this gta04 will be shipped with the screen and case or only the board?
Best regards, Liviu On May 13, 2015 2:26 PM, "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <h...@goldelico.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Am 13.05.2015 um 13:19 schrieb Liviu Farbas <liviu.far...@gmail.com>: > > Apart from the case space, couldn't the second SD slot be connected to the > OMAP cpu instead of the emmc? > > The GTA04 has no eMMC, it has NAND flash (this is not the same regarding > the interfaces). > And the OMAP3 has no specific eMMC interface. It has 3 MMC interfaces. 2 > of them are already used and the third one is not available. > > Maybe the schematics in the system manual give some more background > information: > > http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/page/Manual/ > > BR, > Nikolaus > > > On May 13, 2015 10:05 AM, "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <h...@goldelico.com> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Am 13.05.2015 um 08:38 schrieb Liviu Farbas <liviu.far...@gmail.com>: >> >> If that is the case, it's OK. So if the memory chip containing bootloader >> will get damaged we can still use the phone? >> >> Yes. You can even reflash the NAND image (it is “unbrickable” by design). >> >> My main idea was to have 2 SD card slots: one for the card with the >> bootloader and operating system, and one with the card for the file storage. >> >> Ah I see. Well, we don’t have the space in the Freerunner plastics case >> and the OMAP3 has no spare MMC interface (one is for the uSD and the other >> one for the WiFi SDIO; the third MMC I/F is not available to pinmux >> restrictions). >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> BR and thanks for your suggestions, >> Nikolaus >> >> Liviu >> On May 12, 2015 8:52 PM, "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <h...@goldelico.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Am 12.05.2015 um 19:37 schrieb Liviu Farbas <liviu.far...@gmail.com>: >>> >>> i was thinking at something like the Raspberry Pi, which does not have >>> any memory built in, and everythin including bootloader is stored on sd >>> card. >>> >>> What would be the benefit? >>> >>> On the GTA04 you can store bootloader and kernel either in NAND or uSD >>> or both. By pressing the AUX button you can choose which memory the system >>> boots from. >>> >>> And, the NAND and the RAM are combined in a single multi-chip-module, so >>> you can’t remove just the NAND. You can erase it and then it will be >>> skipped when booting. So this would simulate a non-existing chip. >>> >>> IMHO a mix of boot loader in NAND and kernel/device-tree/rootfs on uSD >>> is the most flexible setup so that you can simply swap SD cards for >>> different OS versions to run. >>> Please also note that having the boot loader on the SD card requires a >>> two-parition layout and is quite inflexible. We have a tool that can >>> partition and format and fill SD cards in quite flexible choices [1]. >>> >>> So what are you missing or trying to improve? >>> >>> BR, >>> Nikolaus >>> >>> [1]: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-makesd/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 12, 2015 11:37 AM, "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <h...@goldelico.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> the GTA04A5 has a NAND flash of 512 MB and a uSD reader up to 32 GB >>>> (see photos on www.gta04.org). The NAND flash is mainly used for the >>>> boot loader and a small rescue Linux system but real OS operation is done >>>> by swapping such uSD cards. So you can for example have a uSD card for >>>> Replicant and another one for QtMoko. Or put both on one in different >>>> partitions. >>>> >>>> BR, >>>> Nikolaus >>>> >>>> Am 12.05.2015 um 10:12 schrieb Liviu Farbas <liviu.far...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> What about the emmc module? Will that module be removable? Or instead a >>>> built in emmc, wouldn't be a better choice to add a SD card slot? It would >>>> be really great to experiment with operating systems without the risk of >>>> corrupting the emmc. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Liviu >>>> On May 11, 2015 10:37 AM, "Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller" <h...@goldelico.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> you may wonder what is going on with this project. Did it turn into a >>>>> black hole? Or >>>>> did someone do a “rm -rf /“ :) >>>>> >>>>> No, nothing of that. Therefore, I think we owe you some short status >>>>> update on this project. >>>>> >>>>> There hasn’t been much to report in the last months, but now we have >>>>> several news >>>>> within some days. >>>>> >>>>> 1. I have checked again and we can still get the GTM601W, but the >>>>> distributor says >>>>> the risk is high that OPTION declares EOL any time and in that >>>>> case we would have >>>>> to make an order of at least 3000 units so that they restart >>>>> production just for us. >>>>> >>>>> This means we must secure these modules for us now, since there is >>>>> no replacement >>>>> that easily fits into the space constraints of the GTA04 (resp. >>>>> GTA01/02 board). >>>>> >>>>> Cinterion modules would be nice since they are planned for the Pyra >>>>> and the Neo900, >>>>> but they are approx. 10% too big. >>>>> >>>>> 2. we see some difficulties in getting the W2SG0084 GPS module, but >>>>> that is some >>>>> paperwork the distributor has to do with Wi2Wi. >>>>> >>>>> Nevertheless, this is also a risk candidate for EOL because only >>>>> one distributor shows >>>>> stock. >>>>> >>>>> 3. There are also good news: >>>>> we participate in the risk buy of Samsung 1GB RAM+512MB NAND >>>>> chips (as >>>>> planned for the Neo900). So the GAT04A5 gets twice as much RAM :) >>>>> >>>>> This chip has already been tested by reworking a BeagleBoard XM >>>>> and modifying >>>>> the boot loader (kernel didn’t find the NAND yet, but U-Boot did. >>>>> This is a problem >>>>> that will jointly be fixed with the Neo900 software team). >>>>> >>>>> 4. Production: we still are a little away from the quorum of 100 >>>>> preorders (at the >>>>> moment of this writing we have estimated approx. half = 45 >>>>> units). So it is still >>>>> not possible to make final decisions about production dates and >>>>> final pricing. >>>>> >>>>> So we need to get a little more support for our project. If you >>>>> have ideas, please >>>>> let us know or start activities. Many small activities are as >>>>> good as a big one! >>>>> And we know that this is a niche product that requires an >>>>> existing GTA01/02 >>>>> device. So it is not possible to “attract the masses”. We must >>>>> find and convince >>>>> the previous GTA01/02 owners whose devices are collecting dust. >>>>> There had been >>>>> produced ca. 15k such devices so that we just need another 1/3% >>>>> or in other >>>>> words only 1 out of 300 GTA02 owners needs to decide for a >>>>> GTA04A5. >>>>> >>>>> 5. Regarding the risk buy of the GTM601W, RAM chips and W2SG0084, I >>>>> plan to >>>>> take the budget (~5100 EUR) that we already have collected. >>>>> >>>>> This will transform the vouchers into ownership of components. So >>>>> it has the >>>>> consequence that we can’t refund in money (cash, bank transfer) >>>>> any more, but >>>>> only in unused hardware components (i.e. 100 EUR ~ >>>>> 1*GTM601+1*RAM+1*GPS)… >>>>> >>>>> For future preorder vouchers you would also buy such a component >>>>> set (which we >>>>> would keep in safe warehouse of course) until we can really build >>>>> the whole devices. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So quite some news and I would be happy if we can fill up the missing >>>>> preorders [1] >>>>> sooner than later so that we can start production. Please think about >>>>> securing your >>>>> set of components for the last production batch of the most open >>>>> smartphone platform >>>>> that we already have. >>>>> >>>>> BR and thanks for continued support, >>>>> Nikolaus Schaller >>>>> >>>>> [1]: http://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04A5 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Community mailing list >>>>> Community@openphoenux.org >>>>> http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community >>>>> http://www.openphoenux.org >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Community mailing list >>>> Community@openphoenux.org >>>> http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community >>>> http://www.openphoenux.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Community mailing list >>>> Community@openphoenux.org >>>> http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community >>>> http://www.openphoenux.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community mailing list >>> Community@openphoenux.org >>> http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community >>> http://www.openphoenux.org >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community mailing list >>> Community@openphoenux.org >>> http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community >>> http://www.openphoenux.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Community mailing list >> Community@openphoenux.org >> http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community >> http://www.openphoenux.org >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community mailing list >> Community@openphoenux.org >> http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community >> http://www.openphoenux.org >> >> _______________________________________________ > Community mailing list > Community@openphoenux.org > http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community > http://www.openphoenux.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Community mailing list > Community@openphoenux.org > http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community > http://www.openphoenux.org > >
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