I would like to have a device with something like a Pixel Qi display. The user can choose between color (back-lit) or grey (sun-readable). I have seen, tested and enjoyed this only in the OLPC so far.
http://liliputing.com/2015/01/pixel-qi-dead-low-power-displays-not.html ... On 04/01/16 18:27, [email protected] wrote: > Send Community mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Community digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: New cell phone design wanted? (David Heath) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 00:28:11 -0500 > From: David Heath <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Community] New cell phone design wanted? > Message-ID: > <cacqq_n3ams2dzwdhnlslngfctmrm3vaet2ht32fyskmgz1n...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Open, secure, and accessible to non-programmers are my ideals. Good > hardware isolation is a popular topic but I don't quite know enough to > discuss it technically. I think the main considerations there are the > modem's access to system memory and system control over modem/microphone > power for privacy reasons (and possibly to reduce power consumption). > Compatibility with various OS distributions is important but I think > Replicant is a priority; hopefully they will be building in line with > Android 6.0 and can support Play Store apps with system based permissions > (correct me if I'm wrong about this). I think the Motorola Droid Turbo, the > original one, is a good design in terms of feature set-- very long battery > life, durable, and simple/logical controls. There are plenty of issues I > have with it but in terms of physical design, the main problems are that > it's slightly too big and the audio port is on top, which means you have to > put it in your pocket upside down if you are listening to music. If I were > designing a phone, I would start there and just update the hardware. Neo900 > and the DragonBox Pyra are both products that I would be happy to buy if I > could. Pyra is not designed to be a phone but it certainly could be used as > one with a Bluetooth headset. I like the idea of a phone/laptop that I > could also plug into a hub and use as a desktop, I think Microsoft is > marketing that concept well with their new phones but I don't know the > specifics. With regards to radio implementation, general purpose > software-defined radio in a mobile device would be very useful for a number > of applications, such as signal balancing wireless access points or as a > portable oscilloscope using the TRRS port. Some governments might require > specialised licenser to legally operate this sort of device, I'm not sure, > but I for one would get the licenser if necessary. Physical keyboards are > nice but the layout is a matter of preference and I typically don't find > them to be entirely comfortable, it would be awesome if the keys could be > repositioned but this is almost certainly not practical. Can't comment on > the Neo900 and Pyra keyboards since I haven't tried them. I would very much > like to be able to boot computers off of my phone as removable media to > install operating systems or run technical utilities. This may already be > possible but I have not figured out how to do it yet, especially with a > multi-boot bootloader. Removable batteries are a big plus and hot-swappable > seems like a great idea. USB Type C connector looks good and 802.11ac > should be very useful. I have more comprehensive lists saved somewhere if > you want them but I think these are the most interesting hardware concepts. > Hope my dreams are useful to you (all). :) > > On 3 January 2016 at 23:17, <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Send Community mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Community digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: New cell phone design wanted? (Andreas Kemnade) >> 2. Re: New cell phone design wanted? (Dr. Michael Lauer) >> 3. Re: New cell phone design wanted? (Kero) >> 4. Re: New cell phone design wanted? (James) >> 5. Re: New cell phone design wanted? (J.V. King) >> 6. Re: New cell phone design wanted? (Daniil Larionov) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2016 19:15:19 +0100 >> From: Andreas Kemnade <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Community] New cell phone design wanted? >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" >> >> On Sun, 2016-01-03 at 02:57 +0000, James wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I've designed all sorts of hardware and firmware over the decades. I have >>> always wanted to design a cell phone that can support multiple different >>> open source software stacks. I'd like to hear what features and the >> resources >>> folks would like to see in a new cell phone where all the hardware is >>> disclosed so open source codes, from a variety of places, can be >> completed >>> and supported by the open source communities. >>> >>> >>> So what is your desired feature list? (processor, ram, flash, >> peripherals?) >> I am looking for something in the form factor of the gta04/openmoko but >> with a display not requiring any backlight in bright sunlight. So it is >> good for outdoor use. I do not want millions of brilliant pixels which >> can be only seen with a backlight consuming excessive amount of power in >> sunlight. Then I would prefer like 300000 not so brilliant pixels which >> can be seen without much power like it was the case with old Compaq/HP >> Ipaq devices. >> That seems to also be a combination which seems not to be easily >> available on the market. The smartphones I have seen solve the sunlight >> problem by using excessive backlight brightness consuming vast amounts >> of power. >> >> Regards, >> Andreas >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 20:51:07 +0100 >> From: "Dr. Michael Lauer" <[email protected]> >> To: OpenPhoenux Community <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Community] New cell phone design wanted? >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >>> Am 03.01.2016 um 19:15 schrieb Andreas Kemnade <[email protected]>: >>> >>> On Sun, 2016-01-03 at 02:57 +0000, James wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I've designed all sorts of hardware and firmware over the decades. I >> have >>>> always wanted to design a cell phone that can support multiple different >>>> open source software stacks. I'd like to hear what features and the >> resources >>>> folks would like to see in a new cell phone where all the hardware is >>>> disclosed so open source codes, from a variety of places, can be >> completed >>>> and supported by the open source communities. >>>> >>>> >>>> So what is your desired feature list? (processor, ram, flash, >> peripherals?) >>> I am looking for something in the form factor of the gta04/openmoko but >>> with a display not requiring any backlight in bright sunlight. So it is >>> good for outdoor use. I do not want millions of brilliant pixels which >>> can be only seen with a backlight consuming excessive amount of power in >>> sunlight. Then I would prefer like 300000 not so brilliant pixels which >>> can be seen without much power like it was the case with old Compaq/HP >>> Ipaq devices. >>> That seems to also be a combination which seems not to be easily >>> available on the market. The smartphones I have seen solve the sunlight >>> problem by using excessive backlight brightness consuming vast amounts >>> of power. >> I?d love to have a hackable Linux-based (smart-)phone with an E-Ink display >> and a massive standby time, like, say, one week or so. >> >> Since I don?t need much of the classical smartphone apps, I would be >> content with it >> having more of a feature phone style UI on it though. I could even imagine >> FSO being a great middleware for such a thing. >> >> Cheers, >> >> :M: >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 21:38:39 +0100 >> From: Kero <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Community] New cell phone design wanted? >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >>>>> So what is your desired feature list? (processor, ram, flash, >> peripherals?) >>>> I am looking for something in the form factor of the gta04/openmoko but >>>> with a display not requiring any backlight in bright sunlight. So it is >>>> good for outdoor use. I do not want millions of brilliant pixels which >>>> can be only seen with a backlight consuming excessive amount of power >> in >>>> sunlight. Then I would prefer like 300000 not so brilliant pixels which >>>> can be seen without much power like it was the case with old Compaq/HP >>>> Ipaq devices. >>>> That seems to also be a combination which seems not to be easily >>>> available on the market. The smartphones I have seen solve the sunlight >>>> problem by using excessive backlight brightness consuming vast amounts >>>> of power. >>> I?d love to have a hackable Linux-based (smart-)phone with an E-Ink >> display >>> and a massive standby time, like, say, one week or so. >>> >>> Since I don?t need much of the classical smartphone apps, I would be >> content with it >>> having more of a feature phone style UI on it though. I could even >> imagine >>> FSO being a great middleware for such a thing. >> Having the defining features from gta*/neo900 (openness, security) in a >> pluggable form factor, such as USB. >> It allows me to use it on a platform of my choice, which is still going to >> be some computer running linux. >> >> It would be a much smaller design, with fewer components to source. >> Hopefully easier to update, too (I'm a SW person, but I imagine this >> applies to HW, too). >> >> It needs some driver on the host to work when plugged into it, providing >> control and data interfaces. >> >> In response to the prev mail: >> I am interested in the features that smartphone apps provide, but not in >> the existing apps-ecosystems. >> >> Bye, >> Kero. >> >> -- >> If travel is searching >> and home what's been found >> Hunter - Homogenic - Bjork >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 22:56:53 +0000 (UTC) >> From: James <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Community] New cell phone design wanted? >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> Kero <openphoenux@...> writes: >> >> >>>>>> So what is your desired feature list? (processor, ram, flash, >> peripherals?) >> >> >> Well, these replies do tell this commmunity is alive and desires some new >> toys to get excited about. So, if I may be bold, how does this sound to >> satisfy what I have parsed from the previous posts ??? >> >> Hardware:: >> multicore arm64, maui gpu, 4 gig of ram, micro-usb & usb3, wifi , audio >> i/0, >> Bluetooth, 5" touch screen, sim card socket, camera, gps, temp >> >> >> Software:: >> hardened linux kernel [1], embedded gentoo linux os, lxqt, (this is what >> I'd >> do). Openrc (no systemd). SeLinux [2]. Fully encrypted device. >> >> >> As a gentoo device, it's pretty straight forward to install whatever >> software your want from portage, within the constraints of the resources. >> Just so you know, I have little interest in a low price. I'm interested in >> building a cell comm device that kicks ass, is secure and users >> control/modify it as they like. Have troubles with the stack, hire somebody >> or create what you want in the open. BSD style licenses as much as >> possible, >> i.e. entrepreneurs are most welcome! >> >> I'm interested in expanding the Rf interface capabilities (ham, CB etc) >> so that is still floating on the exact details. That may be an add on board >> that 'clips on the back; decided once I get the final list of hardware to >> support. >> >> >> What I need is a consensus. A rally cry, so I can go into board meetings >> with several semiconductor firms and pitch a revolutionary device for the >> secure entrepreneur to prosper. I am influential and have a long history of >> squeezing (chip) vendors:: so no worries on how to get this done. Besides, >> the current cell phone sales have stalled because nobody is building >> anything that excites folks. I have zero interest in building a sub $300 >> cell phone, that is an exercise in futility, imho. I'm more interested in >> the 'big cannon' cell phone that folks will pay for to get one and become >> excited about writing and hacking software for it. Somebody else can focus >> on the low end (sorry if this offends anyone). Codes that invoke lincense >> issue will become user installable, via the gentoo package management >> system >> known as portage [3] >> >> So what did I miss on the hardware and software? (please leave emotion, >> guilt and other such issues out of the discussion) I just what input on the >> killer cell phone package (hardware and software) that folks want (like >> SElinux on an embedded linux cell device). >> >> >> [1] https://grsecurity.net/ >> >> [2] http://selinuxproject.org >> >> [3] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Portage >> >> >> James >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 20:45:24 -0500 >> From: "J.V. King" <[email protected]> >> To: OpenPhoenux Community <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Community] New cell phone design wanted? >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Just have one (probably dumb) question. Would it be any easier to run >> multiple Operating Systems on an Intel Processor, as opposed to an ARM >> Processor ? I only ask because of the advent of Intel-based Smartphones >> since about 2012 now: >> >> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/smartphones/smartphones.html >> >>> To: [email protected] >>> From: [email protected] >>> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 02:57:27 +0000 >>> Subject: [Community] New cell phone design wanted? >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I've designed all sorts of hardware and firmware over the decades. I have >>> always wanted to design a cell phone that can support multiple different >>> open source software stacks. I'd like to hear what features and the >> resources >>> folks would like to see in a new cell phone where all the hardware is >>> disclosed so open source codes, from a variety of places, can be >> completed >>> and supported by the open source communities. >>> >>> >>> So what is your desired feature list? (processor, ram, flash, >> peripherals?) >>> >>> I can build them in small batches and keep the prices down, but I'll not >> be >>> providing pcb layout details, but only the details to write/port code to >> the >>> devices. I am taking this approach to cover the cost of a few >> consultants I >>> need to add advanced feature like integrated Ham radio, and other Rf >>> features not found in standard phones...... >>> >>> >>> hit me with your thoughts and ideas, >>> >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community >>> http://www.openphoenux.org >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/community/attachments/20160103/74fd61c8/attachment-0001.html >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 04:17:35 +0000 >> From: Daniil Larionov <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Community] New cell phone design wanted? >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> Sounds like Neo900 on steroids. Or Purism: the Phone. Which is awesome. >> >>> Just so you know, I have little interest in a low price. I'm interested >> in >>> building a cell comm device that kicks ass, is secure and users >>> control/modify it as they like. >> Just wanted to ask what (estimated) price we are talking about. There is a >> certain threshold that no hardware can justify. For me the maximum price I >> can afford to spend on such phone is around 1200-1300 ?. >> >> >> On Mon Jan 4 01:56:53 2016 GMT+0300, James wrote: >>> Kero <openphoenux@...> writes: >>> >>> >>>>>>> So what is your desired feature list? (processor, ram, flash, >>> peripherals?) >>> >>> >>> Well, these replies do tell this commmunity is alive and desires some new >>> toys to get excited about. So, if I may be bold, how does this sound to >>> satisfy what I have parsed from the previous posts ??? >>> >>> Hardware:: >>> multicore arm64, maui gpu, 4 gig of ram, micro-usb & usb3, wifi , audio >> i/0, >>> Bluetooth, 5" touch screen, sim card socket, camera, gps, temp >>> >>> >>> Software:: >>> hardened linux kernel [1], embedded gentoo linux os, lxqt, (this is what >> I'd >>> do). Openrc (no systemd). SeLinux [2]. Fully encrypted device. >>> >>> >>> As a gentoo device, it's pretty straight forward to install whatever >>> software your want from portage, within the constraints of the resources. >>> Just so you know, I have little interest in a low price. I'm interested >> in >>> building a cell comm device that kicks ass, is secure and users >>> control/modify it as they like. Have troubles with the stack, hire >> somebody >>> or create what you want in the open. BSD style licenses as much as >> possible, >>> i.e. entrepreneurs are most welcome! >>> >>> I'm interested in expanding the Rf interface capabilities (ham, CB etc) >>> so that is still floating on the exact details. That may be an add on >> board >>> that 'clips on the back; decided once I get the final list of hardware to >>> support. >>> >>> >>> What I need is a consensus. A rally cry, so I can go into board meetings >>> with several semiconductor firms and pitch a revolutionary device for the >>> secure entrepreneur to prosper. I am influential and have a long history >> of >>> squeezing (chip) vendors:: so no worries on how to get this done. >> Besides, >>> the current cell phone sales have stalled because nobody is building >>> anything that excites folks. I have zero interest in building a sub $300 >>> cell phone, that is an exercise in futility, imho. I'm more interested in >>> the 'big cannon' cell phone that folks will pay for to get one and become >>> excited about writing and hacking software for it. Somebody else can >> focus >>> on the low end (sorry if this offends anyone). Codes that invoke lincense >>> issue will become user installable, via the gentoo package management >> system >>> known as portage [3] >>> >>> So what did I miss on the hardware and software? (please leave emotion, >>> guilt and other such issues out of the discussion) I just what input on >> the >>> killer cell phone package (hardware and software) that folks want (like >>> SElinux on an embedded linux cell device). >>> >>> >>> [1] https://grsecurity.net/ >>> >>> [2] http://selinuxproject.org >>> >>> [3] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Portage >>> >>> >>> James >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Community mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community >>> http://www.openphoenux.org >>> >> -- >> Sent from my Jolla >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Community mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community >> http://www.openphoenux.org >> >> End of Community Digest, Vol 44, Issue 2 >> **************************************** >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.goldelico.com/pipermail/community/attachments/20160104/19e92a50/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Community mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community > http://www.openphoenux.org > > End of Community Digest, Vol 44, Issue 3 > **************************************** > > ____________________________________________________________ FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! 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