Hi, On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 12:47:23 +0100 "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Am 07.12.2019 um 12:12 schrieb Andreas Kemnade <[email protected]>: > > > > Hi, > > > > On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 08:37:23 +0100 > > "H. Nikolaus Schaller" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> I just came across: > >> > >> https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/measurements-and-a-hypothesis > >> > >> So they also ran into unexpected solder bridges which must be X-Rayed. This > >> sounds very very familiar to me... > >> > >> With our experiences collected in the GTA04 project many years ago, I > >> think it > >> is easy to fix - if you have enough money or can borrow money to make some > >> costly experiments with the production line setup. > >> > >> But borrowing money requires a business model which promises future > >> revenues. > >> > >> Without money it needs a lot of creativity and time to replace the missing > >> money. > >> > > or buy the technically demanding parts ready made and use things like som > > boards. Today > > the LogicPD torpedo stuff would be interesting to build something like the > > gta04. > > DM3730 + PMIC. > > But if you have size restrictions things are getting difficult. And > > probably > > the product will be more expensive. > > Right. The LogicPD is 15 x 27 x 3.8 mm > > There was also a DM3730 + PMIC + RAM module from a company called JorJin. I > think I still > have some samples collecting dust. But it was still too thick for the GTA04 > project > where we only have 2 mm between PCB and battery. > > And of course such modules are costly. > > But if I would design a new device including case, I'd try such an approach. > Maybe around > some tiny i.MX8 module or if lower performance suffices, around the OSD3358 > SoM. > > > > >> Which leads to delay and delay and finally the product is working but > >> obsolete > >> and only the brave initial sponsors remain. So there is nobody following > >> up the > >> initial funding round. > >> > >> The rule of thumb in consumer electronics is that there must be a successor > >> product (at least an upgraded version) every 1-2 years. > >> > >> Let's see if Librem 5 can build up a sustainable business (unfortunately I > >> have > >> difficulties to believe). > >> > > Yes, interesting question. Same question about PinePhone. > > The latter one has a lower price at the moment. > > Indeed. I didn't mention it since a lower price has a better chance of > building a > demand - but profitability and therefore being able to sustain, is a > completely > different question. > I wonder whether these low prices are a seeding process and are higher later. Then it might lead to sustainability. What I really wonder is if the key to success would be ta have a really different system on these devices, where the advantages of having an open system pay out. So not just having Replicant (but as an option), but maybe implement some of the ideas presented by Neal H. Walfield: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pPCvdnneTs http://plato.walfield.org/walfield-ohsw-2013-a-spying-resistent-system.pdf So it is not: Similar to android but not so mature. Regards, Andreas
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