Hi, On Sat, 17 Sep 2022 15:33:48 +0200 David Boddie <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sun Sep 4 22:03:38 CEST 2022, H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: > > > But as far as I see all of them are absolute niche an none of them got the > > same attractivity and general public attention as the original Openmoko got > > back in 2007. Well, it is like sending people to the moon for the second > > time. Nice, still challenging technology. But no breakthrough any more. No > > revolutionary approach. Smaller media coverage. > > Linux on a phone isn't an interesting topic in itself any more, and even the > phones where the software is open have practical limitations on what you can > run. The idea of a phone where you can "hack" on the OS isn't as appealing > as one where you can write your own apps, especially when most of the effort > on the OS is directed towards a narrow stack of software. > I think it is a strong requirement to have some apps available, which cannot be easily given up. I personally get angry about Android and iOS very quickly so there is the desire to change something. And hacking Android itself.. That is a real high barrier. At least from what I remember of my replicant 6 tries. It feels like an extremely huge block, since there are so packets in the operating system itself, you build a big image and one makefile which somehow includes tons of submakefiles. I also think Linux on desktop at all was exiciting because it was *different*. And competitiors were not other unixes, but Windows. There were some efforts to be like Windows, but for example about window managers there were so much different creative ideas (not just the many things which are quite similar. Lets take things like i3. Somehow in peoples mind it is fixed that there is no alternative. What about organisation of data in general? Why the highest level is the type of data (Photos/Documents)? Even on macOS I have seen a question "Is Terminal allowed to acces your photos?" I would rather see "Is find running in Terminal x allowed to access your payjob/your opensource project contributions/your friends/family data" Well there was the work perimeter thing on Blackberry OS. I have the opinion that in the field of power management, there is also room for experiments (besides of having a kernel being able to put everything into low power mode). Comfort vs. power saving. If the solution to add as much power so you do not need to care. And then there is: https://archive.fosdem.org/2022/schedule/event/mobile_social_dilemma/ Also something where alternative OS could help. > Maybe those involved with OpenMoko could say something about the excitement > around the original phone. Were people excited about the OS, or were they > simply excited about the idea of a phone where you could run your own > software? > Well, I came down the road from Laptops, Wearable computers and PDAs, namely the Ipaqs (also running Linux on there). Every step I could have a Linux computer with me a bit more mobile. Having a working unix shell as a fallback is always nice. And then there was OpenMoko. So I did not need to carry around a separate phone. Regards, Andreas _______________________________________________ Community mailing list [email protected] http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/community http://www.tinkerphones.org
