Salam Majdi

To the best of my knowledge the term "Mushaf Uthman" (the master copy of the 
Qur'an preserved by khalifa Othman") is often confused with "ar-Rasm 
al-Uthmani" or (the Othmani script) which is named after the syrian 
calliographer "Othman taha" who is still alive and an employee at King Fahd 
Complex at Median, the two names are just a co-incidence. The later 
calliographer's script got promoted by King Fahd printing press where millions 
of copies of this script are circulated, it hence became a very popular script.

Hence, I think the Uthmani script is a very modern script and close to the 
traditional "naskh" script. The very old Qur'anic scripts are preserved in 
museums and looks very different. This gives a flavor:


Abdul-Baquee M. Sharaf
PhD Student
Language Technologies Group
School of Computing
University of Leeds
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On Behalf Of Majdi Sawalha []
Sent: 08 February 2010 13:51
To: Eric Atwell; Kais Dukes
Cc: Quranic Arabic Corpus discussion
Subject: RE: Advice Required - Printed Version of the Quranic Arabic Corpus for 

Hello Eric and Kais,

 iwant to highlight the issue of the Arabic writing style of the Qur'an. In the 
Qur'an Corpus you use the Qthmani script, the same writing style since the  
third Kalifa Othman Ibn Affan. this writing style is a bit different that the 
modern standard Arabic script. but Islamic scholars to some reasons continued 
to print the Qur'an using the same Othmani script. i found it easier to read 
the Qur'an using modern standard Arabic script. as well as it is easier to 
apply existing Arabic NLP tools to the modern standard Arabic script. if you 
want to continue in using the same Othmani script, would you please make 
another copy of the Qur'an using modern standard Arabic script. or you might 
think of providing options (limited) similar to Tanzil project

best regards,
School of Computing,
University of Leeds.
From: [] 
On Behalf Of Eric Atwell []
Sent: 06 February 2010 14:18
To: Kais Dukes
Cc: Quranic Arabic Corpus discussion
Subject: Re: Advice Required - Printed Version of the Quranic Arabic Corpus for 


I think this needs some careful thought ot present most of the info in
much smaller space. The question then becomes: what is the info people
really want, and what can be eliminated?  part of the "information"
in the online version is layout to make it readily accessible to casual
users; arguably users of the printed form are not casual (or else they
would not get the full printed version ) and can work with aa compressed
representation  - and may even prefer it if it means they can view
longer texts on one page.  For example, the full explanation of
grammatical features takes up space but the same information is encoded
in more compact tags; casual visitors won't understand the tags, but a
repeat user might get used to this compact representation.

This is generic, next step is to think about how exactly this applies to
tagged quran... I'll have a think about this, but you will probably get
good suggestions from others before me!


On Sat, 6 Feb 2010, Kais Dukes wrote:

> Hello comp-quran members,
> I am writing to you all, to get some advice on a printed version of
> the Quranic Arabic Corpus. We have been receiving a lot of requests
> lately for something that users can download for offline use. Because
> I beleive that the accuracy of the grammar is getting quite
> reasonable, I am now considering this. In any case, we can always
> update what we produce as the grammar improves.
> What I had in mind, was a set of PDF files that could be downloaded.
> For example, perhaps 30 PDFs (1 per juz of the Quran, see:
>'). My question is - I would be keen
> to find out from members of the mailing list if they think that this
> is a good idea? And if so, what would the best format be? I was
> thinking of starting with the word-by-word grammar (not the syntactic
> treebank). Perhaps starting with the information here:
> The problem is that if we displayed those images at the same
> resolution, with the same information, that comes out to about 7
> Quranic words per printed A4 page. Given that there are 77,430 Arabic
> words in the Quran (according to our counting of whitespace) that
> would give 11,061 pages in total - or 368 pages per juz (i.e. 368
> pages for each of the 30 PDF files). That doesn't sound very
> reasonable to me. If we shrink the images and text by 50% that would
> give about 5,530 pages in total. Do you think that perhaps we should
> just display part-of-speech tags to save space? Or perhaps Quranic
> researchers and students perfer the whole grammar written out in
> textual form?
> I'm open to any suggestions on how to best display this information in
> printed form for a set of PDFs. Any suggestions are more than welcome.
> Feel free to reply directly to the mailing list, just hit "reply all":
> Looking forward to hearing from you.
> Kind Regards,
> -- Kais Dukes
> Language Research Group
> School of Computing
> University of Leeds
> - The Quranic Arabic Corpus
> - Computional Quranic Arabic discussion list

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