the pickle wrote:
>
> At 09:22 -0600 on 04/08/02, Philip Stortz wrote:
>
> >oxidizers. this makes me think hydrogen peroxide might also be
> >effective, though not that when it dries it's gone, the oxygen is an
absolutely, h2o2 loves to break down with nearly any contamination,
which could do interesting things to the bottle. as a high schooler i
measured how much o2 was released, the 3% first aid stuff will produce
about 10 volumes of O2! the stronger stuff could be very bad if it got
something in it and you recapped it tightly. i think beauticians can
get 30% h2o2 as i recall. i don't think it's that closely watched,
because of the instability and because it's not the greatest oxidizer
for mischief, though it has been use as a propellant both by itself and
with a fuel.
> Perhaps, but it's very difficult (read: the government will come looking for
> you if you do) to get any sort of peroxides in concentrations greater than
> about 10%. To make matters worse, H2O2 is highly unstable and must be stored
> in a dark refrigerator to maintain its concentration, which degrades over time
> even in the best of conditions. That stuff you buy in the grocery store that's
> 3% in water might be about 1% after a year in your medicine cabinet. Even the
> slightest impurities will result in spontaneous degradation of the peroxide to
> the extent that a few grains of sand can destroy the better part of a bottle of
> the stuff.
>
> Basically, I wouldn't mess with liquid H2O2 solutions. OxyClean might be
> useful, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.
i strongly suspect that the oxyclean actually produces h2o2, i haven't
checked a container, but the "shock" disinfectant tablets i use for our
hot tub do just that, and they aren't controlled at all.
neither is the chlorine or bromine based disinfectant which could
definitely be used for mischief. then again, grocery stores have
several items that can be used to make explosives and incendiary
devices, without even having to buy part of it somewhere else.
fortunately most wacko's aren't that smart, and i'm not going to tell
you which items are the magic ones, but any good chem student could
figure it out. most people just don't realize how powerful and
dangerous household chemicals are, they are as bad as the chem's used
industrially in many cases and lack many of the warning they'd have if
they were being used commercially. hell, you can cause allot of
problems just with bleach and ammonia, if you're stupid and crazy enough.
it's off topic, but you really can't effectively prevent people from
doing things if they are motivated, the best you can do is reduce the
motivation. if you don't like street gangs selling crack providing good
jobs and training for teenagers helps allot more than the police can to
reduce it. when people don't think they have a future, they are free to
be very destructive, someone who believes they have a future at risk is
far less likely to jeopardize it.
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