The nature of work I do for a living allows me access to a wide variety of
electronic components. I also have the ability to burn just about any chip
made. I find this topic fascinating and if there really is demand for this
I would love to offer my help.

If you could give me a specific module form factor, rom size and maybe a
few manufacturer parts numbers off the chips I bet I could come up with
something. Nothing is too esoteric, If it was made Im willing to wager I
can find it.
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To: "Compact Macs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Jeff Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: 08/02/2004 21:18
Subject: Re: Soft "rom" question

>From: "Snook, John R" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:11:51 -0700
>

><Gamba (who seems to have vanished, though his website is still up,
><thank goodness) and I did in fact build a ROM SIMM, copying the
><contents of the IICI ROM to blank chips and installing them on a ROM
><module circuit board.  This successfully worked in an SE/30.  The
><same could be done with a IISI or IIFX

big snip

><The primary thing, though, is that you need access to a chip
><programmer, to get the code onto blank chips, and you need the
><ability to build a circuit board that will plug into the ROM SIMM
><socket, hold the programmed memory chips, and connect everything up
><properly.
>
><Jeff Walther
>---------------------------------
>  Jeff, I was wondering if I could modify a SE/30 ROM to put the chips you
>  programmed on them?
>What do you think?
>johnsn

Gamba and I considered this route, as it would tremendously simplify
things.   Building the circuit board was the most challenging part of
the project, and simply replacing the chips on an existing SE/30 ROM
would sidestep that task.  For that matter, one could (presumably)
find ROM SIMMs from a Mac II, IIx or IIcx and use those.  Many of
those machines seem to be meeting their ends.

Unfortunately, the chips used on the SE/30 modules don't seem to
match any of the blank chips which are available.   Gamba has a
pretty good pedigree of the ROM modules available on his website and
none of them use commonly available chip packages.

For example, the most common Flash chip is probably a PLCC32 package.
This is the little rectangle with 7 X 9 X 7 X 9 pins on the four
sides that sort of wrap down the side edges of the chip.   None of
the SE/30 ROMs used this kind of chip.    IIRC, there's a PLCC44 ROM
module and some kind of SOIC32 ROM module.

If we could find Flash or EEPROM chips in a PLCC44 or SOIC32 package
(again, if I remembered correctly) then it would be doable, but those
chip packages are obsolete and no longer available, as far as we
could tell.

If that's not clear let me know and I'll try to explain better.

Jeff Walther

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