Hi Sam,

sorry for answering that late....

> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> From: Sam Bouhadana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Thomas Nunninger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Components] Question about ezWorkflow
> Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 08:46:24 -0400
>
> Hello Thomas,
>
> Thank you for the information.
> I just came across the ezComponents while I was looking a way to
> implement a workflow engine in one of the application we are planning
> to develop.
> The idea is to have a set of predifend "actions" that can be tied
> together by an administrator that configures the workflow. Based on
> the actions the user takes/makes the workflow would determin the next
> steps ...

As Sebastian's approach of graph-oriented programming is very powerfull, 
this should be possible with the workflow engine.

> Some of the actions would also be time/date dependent ...

What does "time/date dependent" mean? Is it a kind of timeout? Or is it 
just waiting for some point of time till going on? Timing out is not 
implemented at the moment. Waiting for something could be solved via 
service objects.

The biggest thing is, to integrate the workflow engine in a good way in 
your application. We wrote a Util class that offers methods like

- startWorkflow
- triggerWorkflow
- cancelWorkflow
- jumpToCursor

(the last two are depending on our extensions of the workflow engine). 
Also we wrote a scheduler which regularly triggers the workflow 
executions, e.g. for timeouting workflows (another of our extensions of 
the engine) or it is e.g. possible that a service object checks a 
mailbox if some specific mail arrived.

> That is the basic idea in a few words ...
> I was just looking to have a more concrete example, that I could use
> to understand the concepts of "graph oriented programming".

I will have a look, what's possible to send to you (via private mail) - 
but be patient...

> Thank you again, If you have any other info. that you think might be
> usefull for me please send it ... and let me know if I could do
> something for you...

Hehe, you can spend me a beer when we meet some time :-)

Have a nice day

Thomas

>
>
> Sam
>
> On 7/13/07, Thomas Nunninger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi Sam,
> >
> > > > I would like to know if you have a example that uses the
> > > > workflow component that you implemented that is more complete
> > > > than the ones that are included in the documentation.
> > >
> > >  there are some in the test suite. You should ask qustions like
> > > this on the eZ Components mailinglist, though. There is at least
> > > one subscriber there (Thomas Nunninger) who may be able to help
> > > you with more complex examples.
> >
> > what would you like to see/know? Basically defining a workflow is
> > based on the patterns you can find in the test cases. It's a little
> > bit like using conditions and loops in a programming language where
> > you define your functions (service objects). Thus almost everything
> > is possible...
> >
> > Till now we mainly enhanced/hacked the workflow engine and build an
> > Util class that solves things like startWorkflow(),
> > triggerWorkflow(), cancelWorkflow() or jumpToOtherPosition(). Yes,
> > there are some additions to the workflow component itself -
> > cancellation and jumping is not supported in the component itself.
> > Also we inhereted the XML Storage Definition to our own XML reader
> > and - as we mainly use the Zend Framework - I was forced to
> > reimplement the database tie in. Also we enhanced the visualization
> > visitor and the input validation of input nodes. (Probably I will
> > be able to contribute some parts to eZ later. - But I guess
> > Sebastian won't like some of the bad hacks :-D )
> >
> > Till now we mainly defined one registration workflow. Others will
> > follow soon. But I guess I'm not allowed to send it to you. Perhaps
> > I can send you the graphical representation (need to ask my boss
> > about that) - but I'm not sure if you directly see what happens
> > from the graphic.
> >
> > I propose that you ask more specific. Perhaps you have an example
> > workflow where I can support you in defining. Perhaps you have
> > questions about integration in an application. Perhaps you don't
> > know how to define one specific things. Just ask - I try to answer.
> > But as we are very busy, I guess, I need to do that mainly in my
> > spare time. Thus don't expect fast answers...
> >
> > Have a nice day
> >
> > Thomas
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