Quoting Mark Boon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


On 3-mrt-08, at 18:43, Don Dailey wrote:

I base that logic on my observations that once the score goes below  10%
for Lazarus, it is losing.   It's extremely rare that it salvages a  game
once the score goes below even 20%.

In which case I could argue that attempts at winning by playing
'silly' moves are not working either. It hardly seems like an  argument
supporting your position. It may in fact make things worse.  This is a
feeling I get when I see MC programs play, as soon as one  falls behind
the loss is made irreversible by some extremely silly  moves. But this
is more the case early in the game, not by the end of  the game.

The behavior of Valkyria as I see it is that it actually plays patiently up to the point where it knows for sure it has lost. When this happens it actually plays moves that makes the game as long as possible. These moves may look completely crazy, sometime it is just odd forcing moves. Against weaker programs this works quite often, and against stronger programs of course rarely.

Often when I investigate "bad moves" in the endgame, it is clear that "normal" moves would had simplified the game and end in a clear loss. In those situations Valkyria should have started playing crazy even earlier.

Also my impression is that MC-programs always plays "better" moves to a human eye if it searches deeper even in lost positions. It might still be crazy moves but better crazy moves.

For me it feels like a waste of time experimenting with playing style in the end of the game of lost positions. At least it comes really low on my priority list.

-Magnus
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