On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 12:00 PM, "computer-go-requ...@computer-go.org" <computer-go-requ...@computer-go.org> wrote:
Send Computer-go mailing list submissions to computer-go@computer-go.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to computer-go-requ...@computer-go.org You can reach the person managing the list at computer-go-ow...@computer-go.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Computer-go digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Those were the days ... (Ingo Althöfer) 2. Re: Those were the days ... (Detlef Schmicker) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:20:46 +0100 From: "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> To: computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Those were the days ... Message-ID: <trinity-d1eeedc7-21cd-4fa2-9ace-361dbf4f64fc-1451384446178@3capp-gmx-bs50> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello all, > Martin understood computer go weaknesses, so he played to exploit them. A > modern program > not specifically tuned for those weaknesses would have a much more difficult > time. Agreed. Concerning CNN bots (like darkfores3), a natural way would be to find some players of Martin's calibre who play hundreds of games against the old MFoG at handicap 29. These games might become the training set for the CNN. > I released version 10 in 1997, so it might be more accurate to play against > version 10 > rather than against version 12 at 12 kyu level. I probably still have a > version 10 CD somewhere. I also still have one, I think. Anyway, as soon as a serious contender shows up, I am willing to allow a match environment that may - in case of disputes - be helpful for the bot. Ingo. PS. I want to see my 1,000 Euros finding their way to a pocket of a talented go programmer! ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 13:00:33 +0100 From: Detlef Schmicker <d...@physik.de> To: computer-go@computer-go.org Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Those were the days ... Message-ID: <568275e1.5070...@physik.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I gave pure DCNN 54% a try against the 15 kyu version:) http://files.gokgs.com/games/2015/12/29/mfgo15kyu0-NiceGo19N.sgf There was no pass handling, therefore filled an eye, without would have been 133.5 loss or so :) Detlef Am 29.12.2015 um 11:20 schrieb "Ingo Althöfer": > Hello all, > > >> Martin understood computer go weaknesses, so he played to exploit >> them. A modern program not specifically tuned for those >> weaknesses would have a much more difficult time. > > Agreed. Concerning CNN bots (like darkfores3), a natural way would > be to find some players of Martin's calibre who play hundreds of > games against the old MFoG at handicap 29. These games might become > the training set for the CNN. > >> I released version 10 in 1997, so it might be more accurate to >> play against version 10 rather than against version 12 at 12 kyu >> level. I probably still have a version 10 CD somewhere. > > I also still have one, I think. > > Anyway, as soon as a serious contender shows up, I am willing to > allow a match environment that may - in case of disputes - be > helpful for the bot. > > Ingo. > > PS. I want to see my 1,000 Euros finding their way to a pocket of > a talented go programmer! > _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing > list Computer-go@computer-go.org > http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWgnXhAAoJEInWdHg+Znf4VIMP/RO4p3KIiY0e7ntcMqZWpH7V 3sHxFLz+YxO/CUTMxhserJmdgJFRWCdIamw5jYOF3AvLA2HaJIEbef49I7X+WEFC bqzqkJCwei3YchisnAHeKUYB2FxNEg6YIgSwGOGvcx7rSJJsRtBz34L330AOo875 2hMe2zAAvPdDyKEUhg4BDKB9CA4WwU2q4DlVyYcoJ0VPHSKGvKbwaCK1Loy0Zreb eJzBpLOOyT6ZdPGIlDdeUtHHZkSsffkdd/tA22KJS5ZzCtN+gw5gJoTjK5O2ZcJj v7cjrL8ts8odclzf4JpRV+D8dFoUPTezUYYcd3Q0OBA9I/U//ahFIUPND1VH0A9d LYBSz23PaQ7nl4mRBIDOConc0eV1Y5LvBEKiLQWxmh2LBhh8QQy5e9wc6QrhwVCL lYvOPmBnb43eEMFq0glUfW34YYO8NwoMMB13c439thb3RwiShcNtDGIkpjx+a1is zCJC3QNmpA693zummwqopRraNRuH3rhF51hz203pxcjJ/G2CPwrKmxFoGYhyNY1I dXaw/75H3L4ITvWKfVjz7c0xo59yz5pBxj8e8wyTWk49DRyyZINmmmGQ/tU7smd9 hUq68GHi37rwyEp161wFhZU30vnco1isH/wL4rJOvw8CFgnZwbVY/skQE10z8M/G sHmZKdNwF0D8UpuxYOTH =AFfy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Computer-go mailing list Computer-go@computer-go.org http://computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go ------------------------------ End of Computer-go Digest, Vol 71, Issue 22 *******************************************
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