I confess I did not think of the existence of correlations. I simply thought 1.2% was quite low, wondered how that could be, and marvelled at how close this simple calculation came to that result. My feathers may deserve some ruffling - but I remain obstinately mellow! Anyway, fwiw, it was my 1.232% of survivors that I thought was on the high side. I should read the paper.

Arthur

On Jan 1, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Kahn Jonas wrote:

I think you have perhaps misunderstood. As I read it, Arthur was refering to his own analytic result (1.232) as being "on the high side", not John's result in the paper. Arthur is implicitly assuming that John's number is correct (which I think we all are), and then rationalising what the discrepancy is between his analytic result and John's. Personally I found his analysis very helpful.

The way I read the reply from Jonas, he is similarly is referring to Arthur's calculation, not John's (specifically he is referring to Arthur's reasoning), other than that he also is assuming implicitly that John's calculation is correct.

I cannot speak for Arthur, but my answer was indeed specific to the quick
and (not so?) dirty estimate by Arthur. I did not refer in any way to
Tromp's result, nor did I try to get a real estimate.

Jonas
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