Sorry, I now understand that L17 is not dame. The GNU game is still strange, 
though.

On 20 févr. 2011, at 19:30, Rémi Coulom wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I tested Crazy Stone's Japanese scoring over this database of games. I wonder 
> about one of them (attached), 003_006.sgf. Shouldn't L17 be dame ?
> 
> <003_006.sgf>
> 
> BTW, I also tested my Japanese scoring in games against GNU. I found a few 
> bugs of GNU in this process. I attached one such game. In the final position 
> I get (with GNU 3.8):
> final_status_list dame
> = T19 T17 K15 O14 B12 N12 S12 T11 T8 S7 S5 P1
> 
> <japanese-test-7.sgf>
> 
> Crazy Stone is probably wrong, too, because there are some complicated things 
> happening around S6. I would say  S6 is dame, not S7 and S5. B12 and P1 look 
> like really weird dame, though. So do K15 and N12. The right-side of the 
> board is complicated, but the rest should be obvious for GNU. Unless I am 
> mistaken... 
> 
> I can send more, if GNU people are interested.
> 
> Rémi
> 
> On 30 nov. 2010, at 00:24, Gunnar Farnebäck wrote:
> 
>> On 11/28/10 10:15, Dave Dyer wrote:
>>> At 10:39 PM 11/27/2010, David Fotland wrote:
>>>> Accurate scoring, even at the end of a game, is very difficult.  You have 
>>>> to
>>>> read accurately, and evaluate semeai and seki.
>>> 
>>> Yup.  I spent years developing the capability to score endgames
>>> at the point where humans typically leave them.  Getting within
>>> a few points of correct 95% of the time is achievable.  The other
>>> 5% you will either make whopper mistakes or never terminate.
>>> 
>>> This is now pretty old, but I don't know of any more recent or better
>>> results. http://www.andromeda.com/people/ddyer/go/scoring-games.html
>> 
>> On that testset GNU Go 3.8 finds the correct score in 85.6% of the
>> cases, is off by at most one point in 98.2% and within 3 points in
>> 99.4%.
>> 
>> And well, it can be argued whether humans in general (as opposed to go
>> pros) consider the game finished and ready to be scored with open kos
>> remaining.
>> 
>> /Gunnar
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