Hi Martin,

thx for sharing the interesting results.

Can you also provide - for each simulation level -
the complete distribution of results? So, how often
Black wins by 1, 2, 3, ...
White wins by 1, 2, 3, ...
One would expect, that increasing the number of sims
should give stronger concentration around 0,
but MCTS is a strange animal...

Ingo.


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> Datum: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:52:23 -0600
> Von: Martin Mueller <[email protected]>
> An: [email protected]
> Betreff: [Computer-go] A simple Fuego self-play experiment with 7.0 komi

> 5x1000 games, no opening book, Fuego svn version 1467.
> Number of simulations varied from 3K (3000) per move to 300K.
> I was interested in whether the recent fix to allow Fuego to play for
> draws with integer komi worked, and whether the number of draws increases with
> longer searches.
> 
> Here are the results:
> 
>   3K simulations: 9.5% draws, 52.4% wins by Black
>  10K simulations: 8.8% draws, 47.7% wins by Black
>  30K simulations: 11.2% draws, 49% wins by Black
> 100K simulations: 10.6% draws, 45.9% wins by Black
> 300K simulations: 13.8% draws, 46.1% wins by Black
> 
> So there seems to be a slight increase in draws. It is interesting that
> Black has an advantage, e.g. with 300K White wins only 100-13.8-46.1 = 40.1%.
> 
> I wonder how to do the similar test with an opening book. We now have a
> quite large book for 7.5 komi, and a smaller book for 6.5 komi. Using the 7.5
> book with a komi of 7 for White will make the program equally happy with a
> draw-or-win while in the book. Using it with Black will make it try to
> avoid draws.
> 
> Of course, we could build a new book with 7.0 komi. But it would be nice
> to be able to control between "must-win" and "happy-with-draw" situations.
> 
>       Martin
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