E6, H3 lsoes, but Manyfaces doesnt see it until several moves later. > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:computer-go- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Erik van der Werf > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 3:02 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen! > > Nicks suggestion might work also, I'm not sure, but I had a lot more > difficulties with it (against Steenvreter). With black 31 at e6 it all > seems rather straightforward. I guess some programs may have > difficulties seeing the corner is dead. > > Erik > > > On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:54 PM, David Fotland <[email protected]> > wrote: > > ManyFaces agrees with Nick that connecting on the right is better than 31 > > (with about 48% win rate). It doesnt like moving at 34, as Erik > suggests. > > After 34 (E6), it thinks white can win (55%) at H3, but this is too > > optimistic. > > > > David > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] [mailto:computer-go- > >> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Erik van der Werf > >> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 12:24 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [Computer-go] Congratulations to Zen! > >> > >> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 9:01 PM, "Ingo Althöfer" <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > "Aja" <[email protected]> > >> >> ManyFaces (White) still wins even if it loses the semeai but captures > >> >> the J4 group of 3 stones. And it's not possible for Black to save the > >> >> J4 group and win the semeai at the same time. > >> > > >> > Yes, that is exactly what the experts in the forum found. > >> > > >> > The question: Do the other bots see this as well, > >> > and how early in the game do they see this outcome? > >> > >> Sure, its easy for strong bots :-) > >> > >> There are several ways to win in this position; no need to win the > >> semeai. Even the J4 block can be traded for something like 2 points > >> elsewhere (e.g., g4 & a6). > >> > >> To win Black should have played 31 at 34. I think Nick's suggestion > >> (between 32 and 35) is bad because the White group in the upper right > >> corner is already dead. > >> > >> Erik > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Computer-go mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Computer-go mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > > _______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go
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