Imagine how strong they'd be at 0.1 sec/move. Seems like it's really only fair to measure at non-blitz.
s. On Jan 7, 2012 3:32 PM, "Aja Huang" <[email protected]> wrote: > Jouni, 6d’s are NOT ridiculously strong. I am a solid 6d KGS player but > lost many games to Zen and Crazy Stones. Actually they might be able to > reach 6d already with 10 secs/move or in even faster games. > > Aja > > > *From:* Jouni Valkonen <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Saturday, January 07, 2012 1:07 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [Computer-go] CrazyStone in the 5-dan footsteps of Zen > > > Jeff, it does not matter what ten humans does with the games, because they > are insignificant compared to bulk mass of games that gobots are playing. > therefore CS's it has no relevance for the rating system. Also 6 months is > very very short time, and when old games are starting to expire, KGS rating > will follow. See e.g. CS rating graph for reference. > > KGS rating system works brilliantly and it is almost impossible to > exploit, because only way to exploit it is to make 8d? account and then go > kibitzing other people's games, but if there are only few games played, it > has very little influence for system as a whole. Therefore it is certainly > better rating system than in any other Chess and Go servers. (it is even > better than Glicko) > > People observe KGS-rating system often problematic, because it punishes > most severely those who are weak players. > > one improvement to rating system could be, that it would calculate > separate ratings for both, slow and blitz games. > > 6d for MC-gobot seems a bit optimistic, I would bet €5 that it won't > happen in 2012. 6d's are ridiculously strong. I calculated that in January, > out of 56 games against 5d's CS won 48%. This is indeed impressive, > although there is long way to beat 6d's in even game. > > –Jouni > > On 7 January 2012 21:03, Jeff Nowakowski <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 01/02/2012 05:04 PM, Rémi Coulom wrote: >> >>> >>> Improving the KGS rank at 5d is very difficult. The current >>> experimental version of Crazy Stone wins 78% against Crazy Stone >>> 2011. That's less than one stone difference on KGS. But I am sure >>> both Zen and Crazy Stone will reach 6d in 2012. >>> >> >> There are two problems with the KGS rankings: >> >> One, they are weighed down a lot by past games from weaker versions. >> >> Two, you have to worry about people trying to game the system. I found >> strong evidence that one of the frequent CrazyStone players was losing >> games intentionally against a weaker bot, while at the same time winning >> frequently against CrazyStone. >> >> I brought this up with an admin, and he said they were looking into it, >> but several days have gone by and the player was not deranked (which is the >> usual punishment for gaming the system, and would remove past games from >> the rank calculation). >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go > > _______________________________________________ > Computer-go mailing list > [email protected] > http://dvandva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/computer-go >
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