Ah... I see Tom has done some volunteer work with some non-profits.  I
might just have read him wrong.  :-)

Many non-profits get by on shoe-string budgets - and even less for their
IT department.  I'm on the board of directors for one and I'm also part
of the volunteer IT staff.  Our local IT person started off as our
Office receptionist (she's now the Office Manager).  If she runs into a
problem that she's either never seen before or can't figure out, she's
got a list of people she can call or email.  Over time, she's been
volunteered to handle more things - like the phone system, email account
setup, etc.  She generally doesn't get involved in the server - although
she does changes backup tapes (for now at least).  

Oh and just because she wears her "IT Hat" from time to time (it might
be of the tin-foil variety, but I don't recall right now) doesn't mean
the other duties she's involved with can slip.  

Our server currently uses RAID-1 (mirroring) since that at least affords
us some replication in case a drive fails - which we saw a few years
ago.  But since we were running had mirroring setup, we were able to get
the server up and running relatively quickly.  

In the past, almost all of our machines were donated - which meant we
usually got the dregs other companies were throwing away.  Over time,
we've been able to get technology grants to buy new systems (PCs) and
monitors but even with the prices of systems coming down and hard drives
becoming cheaper and cheaper, we can't go out and buy all new toys.
Generally speaking, grants are specific - to help with printing costs,
to help with a consultant, but technology grants are still somewhat
rare.

As another example, a well-known non-profit that helps homeless that has
several offices in California gets by with little to no formal IT
budget.  I've been called in to help out when their IT consultant
couldn't figure things out but the idea of going out and spending money
wasn't something they necessarily wanted to do.  I still get calls from
their office staff since they have no IT person in any of their local
offices.  I just refer them back to their local director who has
dictated they can't afford to spend anything on IT problems and their
users will just have to "get by".  

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: Computer Guys Discussion List
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Piwowar
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [CGUYS] Replication (was Re: [CGUYS] Back ups on computer i

>John, I really think that you've been at Mitre for so long that you
>don't have any idea of what conditions are like for smaller
>organizations, especially in non-profits.  I'm lucky to get the money
>to replace desktops right now.

Im trying to conjure up a mental image of where Jeff works. My crystal 
ball reveals a snake pit worthy of Indiana Jones. Inch-thick coaxial 
ethernet cables slither and sparks leap out from behind hulking 
machinery. Giant disk drives give out a deafening whine. The scene is 
dimly lit by the flashing lights of ancient concentrators. Water drips 
from the ceiling. There is the odor of sulphur in the air.


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