I couldn't resist forwarding this. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [dcpilots] Re: Chart availability Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:18:19 -0400 From: [email protected] Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected]
Hello, Your logic follows mine exactly. I don't use paper any longer. I don't have a second iPad because I have an iPhone with ForeFlight as a backup. The screen size makes it less the optimum for charts, but as a backup it is perfectly usable -- even for approach charts. With the iPad at $499, ForeFlight at $79/year, it will cost $600 to get two years of every US VFR/IFR Chart, expanded facilities information, and more on your iPad. For $150 more you get the GPS location on the charts primary navigation charts. PLUS you have an iPad for a thousand other things on the 300 days a year you don't fly. Paper charts are impossible to find when you need them. For a trip to Oshkosh from Leesburg you need around $100 worth of charts -- for one trip. You can subscribe to charts so you always have what you need for the areas you commonly fly, but it is expensive and you still have problems with that odd trip to Oshkosh. Truly, paper is a thing of the past. Check out the iCub LSA which has an iPad installed in the panel. I sat in a board meeting with well experienced people in the industry with my iPad two weeks from launch. I said it was a game changer for the cockpit and they agreed. Three months later is is obviously taking over in the cockpit in a way no other technology since the portable GPS has. Truly, paper is a thing of the past. Check out the iCub LSA which has an iPad installed in the panel -- just months after the iPad is released. Imagine what will be available on the iPad in a year. I have used just about every type of touch-screen/tablet and laptop computer in the cockpit over the years. I have always returned paper because the computer-based solutions just didn't work -- until the iPad. Sincerely, Paul On Jul 15, 2010, at 9:19 AM, Tony T wrote:
Saying that I would vehemently second the iPad/Foreflight recommendation is a gross understatement. The ability to have every chart (SAC, TAC, IAP, AFD) always up-to-date for the entire US is completely impractical using paper. Moreover, being location aware, the iPad (using Foreflight)can bring any map up right at your location. You can also enter routes and see them displayed right on the maps. I have gone completely* paperless. I have logged about 40 paperless hours (including at least 4 real approaches) now with the iPad/Foreflight without any major issues. (There have been some minor issues but all fully resolved). In terms of alternative to paper backups I have the following plan: 1. Car power adapter on board for iPad (as battery backup). 2. Use onboard GPS's, e.g., GNS430/530, or handheld 2/3/496 all have airspace depictions. 3. ATC - if all else fails confess (there's always 121.5 if you really are in an information black hole). *4. Sure a paper backup is prudent... but as I said not practical to maintain the coverage possible with the iPad/Foreflight combination. Certainly you could selectively backup with paper and I confess I do have a recently expired Washington Sectional in my back seat pocket - (though I don't feel good about it). 5. A second iPad? (Yes! The cost of the iPad is relatively small in the context of aviation devices - practically free) Actually, my wife also has an iPad and I have installed a second copy of Foreflight on that. I would be interested in others thoughts regarding this. Tony --- In [email protected], Robert Thomas<r...@...> wrote: > > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 13:57 -0400, Brian D. Smith wrote: > ... > > This is one of the reasons that I decided to buy an iPad and subscribe > to Foreflight for charts. > > > > > > Try to keep some paper as well. Even an old chart. There is nothing > like being in an area that you aren't familiar with and next to nothing > to get nav data from. Especially if you are near restricted or bravo > airspace. The other great thing about printed maps is they always work. > > Rob >
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