On 5/25/10 7:41 PM, John J. Foerch wrote:
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 04:43:51PM -0700, Jeremy Maitin-Shepard wrote:
On 05/25/2010 03:43 PM, John J. Foerch wrote:
Somewhat more exciting than splitting is that it will be possible to
decouple buffers from windows. You will be able to move buffers from
window to window. Currently though, we have a lot of code in conkeror
built on the assumption that a buffer is fixed in one window, so the
overall direction of that roadmap I posted is to rewrite those parts of
conkeror. "Internal window management" almost follows as a consequence of
window/buffer decoupling, so the two features will evolve together.
As I've mentioned on IRC on various occasions, my own view is that
window management should be moved _out_ of Conkeror and into the
actual window manager as much as possible, because even though given
the limitations of existing window managers, it may in fact for some
users be more convenient to have the window management implemented
inside programs (e.g. the concept of buffers, tabs, sub-windows,
etc.), ultimately it seems clear to me that having a bunch of
program-specific, incompatible window management schemes is inferior
to having a single unified system. Maybe there are some exceptions,
where a unified system just doesn't make sense, but I'd say that
simple multiplexing and splitting functionality is not such a case.
> From my point of view, internal and external window management need to
coexist, because both are important. Remember that when we talk about the
ideal window manager --- one which works in terms of tasks and documents
--- such a wm does not yet exist, and given how fractured the wm (and OS)
market is, if it ever does exist, we will still only be talking about one
niche of a much larger world. I think each user configures their system
with a mix of external and internal window management. On one end of the
spectrum are those who want every document in its own window to the point
of using one-on-one-mode in emacs. On the other end are those who want
one window per application with application-level organization of splits
and tabs. Between these opposites are infinite variations. Emacs
impresses me because it accomodates this wide range of possibilities so
well. We'll eventually be able to do similar things with Conkeror.
For what it is worth, I am super excited about split windows and window
independent windows. The natural solution, imho, is to support these
things and also a one-to-one mode for Conkeror buffers for those who
want to do that.
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