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There are 7 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Interdental fricatives and affricates (Lisp)
From: Chris Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
2. Re: German word order (was Re: ? how would you classify this language ?)
From: Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
3. Re: Classical Latin Radio
From: Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
4. Re: The (necessarily anti-American, it seems) French guy salutes you and
leaves
From: Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
5. Re: Conlang flag design; comments and proposals
From: Christian Thalmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
6. Re: Conlang Flag: Voting Now Open.
From: Christian Thalmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
7. Re: Conlang flag design; comments and proposals
From: Jan van Steenbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 08:42:37 +0100
From: Chris Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Interdental fricatives and affricates (Lisp)
When I pronounce it... with s, my tongue tip is slightly further forward
than the alveolar ridge, but not far enough to make it T, with the
frission being between the alveolar ridge and the flat of my tongue just
past the tip.... it sounds weird, given how everyone describes
pronouncing s. Come to think of it, my t is just past the alveolar ridge
as well... but the frission is on the tongue tip with t, so I guess its
about half way to being dental. :( BTW, I was in speech therapy for a
while as a boy to teach me to get T right...
>
>
> Anyway, I pronounce /s/ with the tongue pretty much is the same place
> as /t/. The
> difference is that /t/ is a stop and /s/ is a fricative. The same goes
> for /z/.
> My tongue is at the point where the upper teeth and gums meet.
>
> James W.
>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:50:54 +0200
From: Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: German word order (was Re: ? how would you classify this language ?)
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:15:58 +0200, J�rg Rhiemeier
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> German is [...] VSO in yes-no questions
It's also VSO if there's an adverb in front of the verb, e.g. "Gestern
sah ich einen Tiger" or "Vermutlich hat er mich gesehen", or even
"Dann schoss ich mir ins Knie". (Not sure whether "dann" is an adverb,
though.)
Basically, it's VSO in main clauses as soon as there's something
non-subject in front of the verb, since that'll displace the subject
to after the verb in order to maintain the verb in second position.
> (in wh-questions, the
> interrogative pronoun is in first position, followed by the verb).
So it's also VSO in those cases.
Both "Isst du [gerade] Fisch?" (yes-no) and "Warum isst du Fisch?"
(wh-) have VSO word order.
Cheers,
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Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 10:54:44 +0200
From: Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classical Latin Radio
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 22:16:38 +0200, Christian Thalmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[Latin]
> v and ae are mispronounced.
Oh? I assume you have sound sources to back that up?
Or in other words: can we really know for sure what pronunciation was
like? There are, after all, a number of different pronunciation
traditions for languages such as Latin and Greek.
And who knows: maybe what they're talking is even an accurate
reflection of *some* dialect of Latin.
Cheers,
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Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:02:55 +0200
From: Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The (necessarily anti-American, it seems) French guy salutes you and
leaves
On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:58:56 -0700, Arthaey Angosii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > With that, good bye everyone. It was fun for a while, but the best things
> > always have an end...
>
> I'm sorry some people have been so mean and thougthless to you. I've
> always thought of you as one of CONLANG-L's staples, and I'll miss not
> seeing your contributions.
Same here.
> Good luck with everything,
And with this.
Is it not possible, though, to participate in the CONLANG-related
aspects of the list and ignore threads that start to wander off-topic?
Cheers,
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Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:41:29 -0000
From: Christian Thalmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Conlang flag design; comments and proposals
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Adrian Morgan (aka Flesh-eating
Dragon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've added a new flag - with a celtic knot in it - now present on the
> flags display page:
>
> http://web.netyp.com/member/dragon/temp/conlangflag.htm
Goblin-eyed elves kissing... not quite the symbolism
I'd go for. =P I thought we had agreed not to put
faces onto the flag.
-- Christian Thalmann
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:50:55 -0000
From: Christian Thalmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Conlang Flag: Voting Now Open.
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Adrian Morgan (aka Flesh-eating
Dragon)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's time to vote!
>
> All submissions are closed. Voting is now open until a week from now.
>
> Designs: http://web.netyp.com/member/dragon/temp/conlangflag.htm
> Voting: http://gzarondar.freeserverhost.net/flagvote.php
You know, now that I have a clear favorite among the
concepts, I wonder whether I shouldn't pull off what
Nader ought to do a few days before the election, and
retract all my proposals save for the good one. =P
I guess that's not possible if people actually want
to vote for those other flags, though. =\
(In particular, the sun on blue sky over black hill
flag strikes me as incredibly naive and unprofessional
in comparison to the class of our latest Babel tower
evolution. On the other end of the spectrum, my
"Exchange" feels downright cold and antipathic, like a
supercorporation's logo.)
-- Christian Thalmann
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:20:23 +0100
From: Jan van Steenbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Conlang flag design; comments and proposals
--- Christian Thalmann skrzypszy:
> > http://web.netyp.com/member/dragon/temp/conlangflag.htm
>
> Goblin-eyed elves kissing... not quite the symbolism
> I'd go for. =P I thought we had agreed not to put
> faces onto the flag.
No *unbearded* faces, at least... Now that I think of it, adding
beards to the faces would automatically make them bearded �nd gay,
wouldn't it? ;)))
Jan
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