There are 11 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: TAN: Day of the Republic.
From: David J. Peterson
1b. Re: TAN: Day of the Republic.
From: Mark J. Reed
2.1. Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?
From: Henrik Theiling
2.2. Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?
From: Benct Philip Jonsson
2.3. Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?
From: Henrik Theiling
2.4. Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?
From: Lars Mathiesen
2.5. Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?
From: Mark J. Reed
3a. Re: OT: Links
From: Henrik Theiling
3b. Re: OT: Links
From: Henrik Theiling
4a. Re: Sibilants (was: Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?)
From: Lars Mathiesen
5.1. Re: Beijing, Zhongguo, etc. (was Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?)
From: Ollock Ackeop
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1a. Re: TAN: Day of the Republic.
Posted by: "David J. Peterson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:45 pm ((PDT))
Lars:
<<
Anyway, 3 cheers for the Republic! Cuvun ran, elf je lai! (Long life
to green, white and blue!)
>>
Heh, heh... Not what you intended, but the word for "green" in
Zhyler is /ren/. Perhaps they're distant cousins...
-David
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1b. Re: TAN: Day of the Republic.
Posted by: "Mark J. Reed" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed Aug 13, 2008 1:58 pm ((PDT))
The Dankaran tropical year is over 8 Earth years long, so such
celebrations are infrequent in my case. :)
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2.1. Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?
Posted by: "Henrik Theiling" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:10 pm ((PDT))
Hi!
Benct Philip Jonsson writes:
> ... Hentrik...
Wow that's new. *takes note* :-)
**Henrik
PS: That 'r' is uvular today, so please insert uvular stops!
Anyway, 'Hengrik' or 'Henqrik' would both also be new!
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2.2. Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?
Posted by: "Benct Philip Jonsson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed Aug 13, 2008 11:46 pm ((PDT))
Henrik Theiling skrev:
> Hi!
>
> Benct Philip Jonsson writes:
>> ... Hentrik...
>
> Wow that's new. *takes note* :-)
Really? This is clearly a case of accidentally
hitting the key next to the intended key. The
weirdest such thing with me is that I often
hit "q" or "qa" when I intend "a". "i" and
"o", "b" and "n" are other favorite pairs...
> **Henrik
>
> PS: That 'r' is uvular today, so please insert uvular stops!
> Anyway, 'Hengrik' or 'Henqrik' would both also be new!
I know. That's why you're officially _Heqig Tayalaeng_
[hi\Rig_0 tajal&N/ and not _Hendrig_ in Sohlob! :-)
/BP
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2.3. Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?
Posted by: "Henrik Theiling" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2008 5:47 am ((PDT))
Hi!
Benct Philip Jonsson writes:
>...
> I know. That's why you're officially _Heqig Tayalaeng_
> [hi\Rig_0 tajal&N/ and not _Hendrig_ in Sohlob! :-)
Hehe. :-)
**Henrik
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2.4. Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?
Posted by: "Lars Mathiesen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:03 am ((PDT))
2008/8/13 Benct Philip Jonsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Danish doesn't have it. Icelandic has /c/ for _g_
> and /c_h/ for _k_ before front vowels and Faroese
> has /tS/ (or perhaps /ts\/ w/o aspiration under
> like circumstances. Norwegian usually spells /s\/
> with _kj_, though not before _i_ or _y_. BTW
> Finland Swedish has [ts\] (Pinyin <q>) where
> Sweden Swedish has [s\] and [s\] where Sweden
> Swedish has [X]. English speakers can safely
> use [tS] for /s\/ and [S] for [X] **and** [s`].
A curious thing is that until early 20th century or so, Danish used to
have orthographic kj- and gj- before front vowels where there is only
k- and g- now. And no traces of palatalization in the standard
dialect.
I've only made half-hearted attempts to find out why, so I can't
really tell you. But maybe it was an attempt to maintain uniformity
with Norwegian -- the old 'bokmål' was almost identical with Danish in
spelling, but not in pronunciation, and having Danes ignore the -j-
and the Norwegians use it as a palatalization marker is sort of neat
if that was what was going on.
On the other hand, the old Copenhagen speech was part of a coastal
dialect continuum with Skåne and Bornholm dialects, and may have had
palatalization -- it is very apparent on Bornholm. (It was replaced by
a mix of inland Zealand dialects that became the standard language).
--
Lars
>
> /BP
>
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2.5. Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?
Posted by: "Mark J. Reed" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:54 am ((PDT))
Dadgum palatalization! First it took <c>, now <k> - we're running out
of unambiguous symbols for [k] here. :)
On 8/14/08, Lars Mathiesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/8/13 Benct Philip Jonsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> Danish doesn't have it. Icelandic has /c/ for _g_
>> and /c_h/ for _k_ before front vowels and Faroese
>> has /tS/ (or perhaps /ts\/ w/o aspiration under
>> like circumstances. Norwegian usually spells /s\/
>> with _kj_, though not before _i_ or _y_. BTW
>> Finland Swedish has [ts\] (Pinyin <q>) where
>> Sweden Swedish has [s\] and [s\] where Sweden
>> Swedish has [X]. English speakers can safely
>> use [tS] for /s\/ and [S] for [X] **and** [s`].
>
> A curious thing is that until early 20th century or so, Danish used to
> have orthographic kj- and gj- before front vowels where there is only
> k- and g- now. And no traces of palatalization in the standard
> dialect.
>
> I've only made half-hearted attempts to find out why, so I can't
> really tell you. But maybe it was an attempt to maintain uniformity
> with Norwegian -- the old 'bokmål' was almost identical with Danish in
> spelling, but not in pronunciation, and having Danes ignore the -j-
> and the Norwegians use it as a palatalization marker is sort of neat
> if that was what was going on.
>
> On the other hand, the old Copenhagen speech was part of a coastal
> dialect continuum with Skåne and Bornholm dialects, and may have had
> palatalization -- it is very apparent on Bornholm. (It was replaced by
> a mix of inland Zealand dialects that became the standard language).
>
> --
> Lars
>>
>> /BP
>>
>
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3a. Re: OT: Links
Posted by: "Henrik Theiling" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:20 pm ((PDT))
Hi!
John Vertical writes:
>><http://wiki.frath.net/Senjecan_postpositions>
Suppose some Apple reason? Apple people tend to send me links in that
format.
> If we're going back on the proper way to post hyperlinks, I argue that's not
> quite it either, because there is no
> page "http://wiki.frath.net/Senjecan_postpositions>" - where, I remind, that
> kind of a link points when viewed thru the Listserv www interface, or Henrik's
> mirror of it...
I *thought* I had fixed it and stopped before the >. Hmm, obviously not. The
link
above even includes >" ... Regexp looks good. Strange.
Will investigate.
**Henrik
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3b. Re: OT: Links
Posted by: "Henrik Theiling" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed Aug 13, 2008 4:41 pm ((PDT))
Hi!
John Vertical writes:
> If we're going back on the proper way to post hyperlinks, I argue that's not
> quite it either, because there is no
> page "http://wiki.frath.net/Senjecan_postpositions>" - where, I remind, that
> kind of a link points when viewed thru the Listserv www interface, or Henrik's
> mirror of it...
Ok, should be fixed now on my mirror site for new posts.
**Henrik
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4a. Re: Sibilants (was: Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?)
Posted by: "Lars Mathiesen" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:47 am ((PDT))
2008/8/13 John Vertical <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> And while I'm on the topic, are there postalveolar *non*-sibilants? An
> alveolar
> [T_-] seems to be possible, but not anything further back until we get to
> dorsal consonants. That's odd.
Danish happens to have [D_-], but whether it's alveolar or post- I'll
let others decide. On an earlier occasion when this was discussed,
someone mentioned a North American native language that also has the
sound -- Soshoni, I think.
The Danish sound is usually transcribed /D/, since it's voiced and
there are no other non-labial non-sibilant fricatives to contrast
with.
--
Lars
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5.1. Re: Beijing, Zhongguo, etc. (was Re: 'out-' affix in conlangs?)
Posted by: "Ollock Ackeop" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:44 am ((PDT))
For Yeltax I have a couple of strategies. Normally, they will try to use
native terms (or, for planets, the native name in the most widespread,
internationally used language) from the time of discovery. Since during the
initial discovery phase, the Xala send yelakkaja to various places around
the planet being studied, this sort of occurs naturally. And of course,
there are some native names that Xala simply cannot approximate in their own
langauge (or even physically come close to the native pronunciation, as with
Kesatan Sign Language) and are forced to coin their own toponym. Often the
suffix -ta "place, planet, world" is used for coinages (as in Kesata = kesa
"water" + -ta).
Also -- regarding country names -- those of you who have altlangs, how much
effort to you go to in researching historical names in related languages and
finding the one most likely to occur in your lang?
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