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1a. Re: coexisting case question
From: Henrik Theiling
1b. Re: coexisting case question
From: Eric Christopherson
2. Tirelat vocabulary from one world to another
From: Herman Miller
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1a. Re: coexisting case question
Posted by: "Henrik Theiling" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2008 5:23 pm ((PDT))
Hi!
Eric Christopherson writes:
>>....
>> Definite/indefinite is precisely the point here: the construct state
>> has the same noun form as the definite state, only instead of an
>> article, a different defining clause comes into play: the genitive
>> noun.
>
> Not quite. Feminine nouns in -a take -at in the construct, but not in
> the definite. (I'm not sure if other nouns besides feminines in -a
> have a different marking...)
Ah, thanks, didn't know that. Are those the words with ta' marbuta?
**Henrik
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1b. Re: coexisting case question
Posted by: "Eric Christopherson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2008 9:48 pm ((PDT))
On Sep 9, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Henrik Theiling wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Eric Christopherson writes:
>>> ....
>>> Definite/indefinite is precisely the point here: the construct state
>>> has the same noun form as the definite state, only instead of an
>>> article, a different defining clause comes into play: the genitive
>>> noun.
>>
>> Not quite. Feminine nouns in -a take -at in the construct, but not in
>> the definite. (I'm not sure if other nouns besides feminines in -a
>> have a different marking...)
>
> Ah, thanks, didn't know that. Are those the words with ta' marbuta?
Yes.
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2. Tirelat vocabulary from one world to another
Posted by: "Herman Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue Sep 9, 2008 7:11 pm ((PDT))
I've been thinking about how to use Tirelat vocabulary and define the
meanings of Tirelat words. As I've discovered, Tirelat is a Sangari
langauge, but I don't know much about the Sangari world or culture. So
what I'm thinking is that Tirelat words have a parallel set of meanings,
one meaning relating to things and ideas in the familiar world, and
another meaning as actually used by Sangari speakers. That way I don't
have to be too precise about the Sangari meanings, but I can continue to
develop the language by writing and translating texts about the "real
world".
For example, take a look at the basic color vocabulary. Tirelat as
spoken by Sangari has words for colors based on the perception of
Sangari vision, which ignores red but perceives ultraviolet.
http://www.io.com/~hmiller/png/new-tirelat-colors.png
For the Human Tirelat vocabulary, I've revised the color words based on
a red/green axis and a yellow/blue axis, which fits the way humans
typically perceive color.
http://www.io.com/~hmiller/png/2008-tirelat-colors.png
Compare this with the older, more artificial decimal system of color
that I used for Tirelat before the Sangari transition. This system was
based on the internal encoding of colors in a computer file, and had
little to do with human perception.
http://www.io.com/~hmiller/png/tirelat-colors.png
Other aspects of the vocabulary could use a similar kind of rough
correspondence of meaning. So I can continue using words like
"squirrel", "guitar", or "pizza" in the Tirelat vocabulary, even if
there aren't any exact counterparts. But I can assume that a "saraan" is
a kind of musical instrument, probably having a number of strings,
frets, a neck, and so on, if such a thing exists in the Sangari world,
even if we might not recognize it as an exact copy of a guitar. A
"fazaalzimi" by definition is flat (fazaal) and has a crust, like a
pizza, but whether it has anything like pepperoni on it depends on the
sort of things the Sangari eat.
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