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1.1. Re: So, about Ithkuil...
From: selpa'i
2a. Re: Conlang music (was RE: Orthography congruous to pronunciation)
From: Herman Miller
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1.1. Re: So, about Ithkuil...
Posted by: "selpa'i" [email protected]
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:28 pm ((PST))
I just tried to construct my first Ithkuil sentence ever.
"I love you."
First, I picked the root -Ž- ‘LOVE/AFFECTION/EMOTIONAL BOND’. I chose
the stative function and stem 1 of pattern 1 because this seems to give
the most neutral sense of the verb.
The stem then is: a- + -ž- -> až-
The mood is factual and the illocution assertive, which would give -wë-,
but it can be omitted here.
Apparently, verbs are supposed to have case, too, but I cannot see how
or which one. Section 5.2 is supposed to explain this, but I can't seem
to find the actual explanation. Therefore, I just picked the oblique
case (-a).
For the Ca slot I picked the -l affix from the huge table (one of the
two monster tables, the other one being Table 11 for the Cv infixes).
ažal
The word should have penultimate stress (informal designation) and
falling tone (processual version).
Next, the "I". The root here is -t-, and the case should be the
affective case, which has the value -i-, thus "ti".
As for "you", the root I think is -k-. Using the oblique case, it
becomes "ka".
(I know the two "pronouns" can be turned into one, but I'm already
confused enough to try this :) )
So now my guess for the final sentence is:
Ažal ti ka.
(And just for practice, I think "ažal" would be "ažawël" if I hadn't
elided the mood/illocution infix)
The sentence is extremely short, but it took me quite long (and who
knows how many mistakes I made). Of course I have not memorized anything
yet, and I'm still getting accustomed to the layout of the grammar page,
so maneuvering is still slow and cumbersome.
The semantics of the different stem patterns are still a bit mysterious
to me. It seems there is no universal rule by which to infer the meaning
of any root + any stem. Rather, there are a gazillion patterns and each
root yields stems according to one of those patterns (e.g. the root for
SQUIRREL follows the same pattern as the one for MAMMAL, and CURIOSITY
follows EXPERIENCE). So it's not *quite* as random as it first appeared,
but it still requires a huge amount of (tedious?) memorization. I cannot
make a predication at this point as to how difficult it will be.
I have now ordered the print version of the grammar and hope it will
arrive in around 10 days. Can't wait!
mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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2a. Re: Conlang music (was RE: Orthography congruous to pronunciation)
Posted by: "Herman Miller" [email protected]
Date: Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:31 pm ((PST))
On 1/23/2013 12:20 PM, Roger Mills wrote:
> Tranditional Kash music used a 10-tone scale, and Herman Miller was
> kind enough to provide a melody for this poem. If anyone would like
> to hear it (and with Herman's permission) I'll post it. I've never
> tried to sing along with it, but since I tend to sing totally off-key
> anyway, it might work..........
I've got a copy here (preceded by a sample of the 10-tone scale)
https://sites.google.com/site/teamouse/fosi-tambranipan.mp3?attredirects=0
There's also a melody for my Jarda translation of Irina Rempt's
"Starling Song" (Fü Margarêl)
https://sites.google.com/site/teamouse/starling.mp3?attredirects=0
If anyone out there still has a Real Audio player after all these years,
there's a recording of me singing the melody.
http://www.prismnet.com/~hmiller/ra/fue-marrgarrel-sung.ra
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