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Topics in this digest:
1a. Re: THEORY: Bilinguals Find It Easier to Learn a Third Language
From: George Corley
1b. Re: THEORY: Bilinguals Find It Easier to Learn a Third Language
From: Jeffrey Daniel Rollin-Jones
2.1. Re: Tonogenesis
From: Njenfalgar
3. New Siye Text: Mission Blues
From: Anthony Miles
4a. Re: USAGE: Do foreign names sound like phrases in Chinese?
From: Roger Mills
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1a. Re: THEORY: Bilinguals Find It Easier to Learn a Third Language
Posted by: "George Corley" [email protected]
Date: Sat Mar 2, 2013 8:59 am ((PST))
On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Leonardo Castro <[email protected]>wrote:
> Bilinguals Find It Easier to Learn a Third Language
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110201110915.htm
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> Actually, I wasn't able to learn a third language when I was a monolingual!
This has been out there for a while. As you learn more languages, it
apparently gets easier.
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1b. Re: THEORY: Bilinguals Find It Easier to Learn a Third Language
Posted by: "Jeffrey Daniel Rollin-Jones" [email protected]
Date: Sat Mar 2, 2013 11:06 am ((PST))
It probably also depends on what languages you learn. For example, it might be
easier to learn (say) Navajo as a third language if your first language is
English and your second Mandarin, than if your first is English and your second
Spanish; English and Mandarin are very different and so are those two from
Navajo, whereas Spanish is relatively easy.
Jeff.
Sent from my iPhone
On 2 Mar 2013, at 16:59, George Corley <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Leonardo Castro
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Bilinguals Find It Easier to Learn a Third Language
>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110201110915.htm
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>> Actually, I wasn't able to learn a third language when I was a monolingual!
>
>
> This has been out there for a while. As you learn more languages, it
> apparently gets easier.
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2.1. Re: Tonogenesis
Posted by: "Njenfalgar" [email protected]
Date: Sat Mar 2, 2013 10:19 am ((PST))
2013/3/2 Patrick Dunn <[email protected]>
> So I could have a general lenition rule for final consonants. Stops are
> weakened to [?] and fricatives to [h] before another consonant, which
> triggers creaky and breathy voicing respectively, which gets reinterpreted
> as tone.
>
> Does nasalization also trigger tonogenesis in any languages?
>
> Hmm, this'll lead to a high degree of homophony, but since this only occurs
> in compounds, it might be easier to disambiguate.
>
> Oooh, especially if this occurs in an earlier agglunative phase of the
> language, which then becomes more analytic.
>
> How confusing. :)
>
I don't think nasalisation will trigger tonogenesis. Usually tones arise
from glottal stuff, as explained by others. There's an interesting paper
about it which has already been mentioned on this list before:
http://www.csuchico.edu/~gthurgood/Papers/TonogenesisHarris.
Greets,
David
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uhu tu tinitíhi lise tesahuwese. Lise yésináne, lina, ikéwiyéwa etinizáwa
búwubúwu niyi tutelíhi uhu yegeka.
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3. New Siye Text: Mission Blues
Posted by: "Anthony Miles" [email protected]
Date: Sat Mar 2, 2013 12:03 pm ((PST))
I was clearing out my phone, and I came across a Siye text I had been composing
for a 30-day con-text that fizzled. It's about the challenges missionaries on
Mars. I've revised it and posted it over at
http://www.frathwiki.com/Siye
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4a. Re: USAGE: Do foreign names sound like phrases in Chinese?
Posted by: "Roger Mills" [email protected]
Date: Sat Mar 2, 2013 12:23 pm ((PST))
--- On Sat, 3/2/13, yuri <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2 March 2013 05:17, H. S. Teoh wrote:
> So be careful who is transliterating your name, as someone with not the best
> of intentions may deliberately mangle it in embarrassing ways. And yes,
> some names do sound very funny, especially if it was not properly chosen
> to avoid the wrong connotations.
I had a linguistics lecturer at uni who told us that when she went to
Thailand (I think it was Thailand - it might've been somewhere else)
the locals got great amusement from putting tones onto her surname
"Dawson" to render it as "small penis".
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LOL. As I've mentioned before, that's frequently what the Gwr do with other Gwr
and foreign names (but not to one's face), though I don't actually have any
good examples handy, though I've tried...... Best one sofar-- they refer to
Kash people as _ka-h chi-r_ 'lazy awkward' or _ka-h chih-r_ 'lazy lewd'. (The
Kash return the favor by calling Gwrs _feliyoç [fe'li(j)oS]_ 'fools' (but using
the inanimate plural).
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