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1a. Re: Teonaht grammar?
From: Padraic Brown
2a. Re: natlang precedent?? vcc > v:c
From: Alex Fink
3.1. Re: the LCC5 relay is up
From: Padraic Brown
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1a. Re: Teonaht grammar?
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" [email protected]
Date: Sat May 11, 2013 7:55 pm ((PDT))
Ah, very sorry indeed! I had fully intended to mention earlier that I
heard back from Sally. She's moving her pages (yet again!). The new
address is:
http://www.concavities.org
I gather it's not fully active as of yet. I tried yesterday and couldn't
find the actual Grammar, but Sally says she's working on it!
Padraic
--- On Tue, 5/7/13, H. S. Teoh <[email protected]> wrote:
> From: H. S. Teoh <[email protected]>
> Subject: [CONLANG] Teonaht grammar?
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 3:41 PM
> Does anyone know what happened to
> Sally Caves' online pages about
> Teonaht? None of the links that show up in Google work: the
> old
> frontiernet pages appear to have been removed, and the
> cavesdreaming
> site (which seems to be a newer site?) shows up as an
> expired address
> page from godaddy. What's going on? Where can I find the
> Teonaht
> grammar?
>
>
> T
>
> --
> Answer: Because it breaks the logical sequence of
> discussion.
> Question: Why is top posting bad?
>
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2a. Re: natlang precedent?? vcc > v:c
Posted by: "Alex Fink" [email protected]
Date: Sat May 11, 2013 8:28 pm ((PDT))
On Fri, 3 May 2013 14:37:09 -0500, Matthew Boutilier <[email protected]>
wrote:
>i was wondering if anyone knew, off the top of their head, of an instance
>where a short vowel preceding a geminate consonant lengthens when the
>language as a whole loses phonemically distinctive consonant gemination.
Oh hey, what do I find in John V's documentation of Livonian sound changes but
a case of this change applying to all sonorants. (Also only when the following
vowel is /a/, but apparently /a @/ was the entire unstressed vowel inventory at
this point so its relevance is probably only prosodic?)
http://www.frathwiki.com/Finnish#Proto-Finnic_to_Livonian s.v. "Length II /
degemination"
Alex
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3.1. Re: the LCC5 relay is up
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" [email protected]
Date: Sat May 11, 2013 9:03 pm ((PDT))
--- On Sat, 5/11/13, H. S. Teoh <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Seriously, allowing more time for each leg is exactly
> > what has led to the incredible seven month relay they've got going
> now!
>
> But those seven months consist mostly of idle time! Or at
> least, waiting
> time. If we extend the time allowance to, say, 72 hours, but
> with strict
> enforcement, then there should be no problem.
72 hours is okay, though probably excessive for most folks. Seven months
of idle time is way beyond the Pale! So far beyond that it's practically
in the middle of the Western Ocean!
> > For the record, I don't much care for the idea of a computer run relay
> > master.
>
> Actually, we can already do that: translate.google.com.
...and much hilarity was had by all! See, you don't even need to involve
actual conlangs in the process and you can stìll end up with an utterly
bongled final text, every bit the equal of our own relays!
> I've no idea what turned wheat into professor, but obviously
> it suggests
> that wheat has hitherto unsuspected superior intellect.
Sure. Scientifical fact, is that. Your average wheat kernel has an i.q. of
about 12. May not seem like much, but when you consider that wheat has
no brain and can not think, 12 is pretty damn good!
> Also, music and footwear factories are obviously very important to the
> proper application of the original recipé. The flaxseed was apparently
> considered redundant, though I'm not sure about having linoleum in my
> food...
Ah, just break up the tiles a bit. No bean dip in the world can defeat
your basic linoleum crisp. Guaranteed to maintain shape all the way down!
> And soaked clothing, probably from careless spillage
> during the
> elaborate cooking process, no doubt. I'm not sure where
> "Plotis Nyampur
> organizations" came from -- perhaps subversive parties
> plotted to steal
> the flaxseed? And it will definitely be a tragic day at the
> end of it
> all, judging by how unrecognizably mangled the result was.
> :-P
>
> Um...
>
> Oh you're talking about *conlangs*? Oh, I see... well,
> better start
> lobbying for the inclusion of conlangs in Google Translate!
>From the looks of things, we may not even have to involve actual conlangs
in an Automated Conlang Relay! ;)))
> On a more serious note, though: I think automation is a good
> thing to
> have as a fallback mechanism in case people start going
> MIA. If all
> parties were present when they're supposed to be, then the
> automation
> shouldn't even kick in -- the relay master should be able to
> click on a
> button to send a reminder to the current person, for
> example, or to skip
> over to the next person. Only when people suddenly
> fall off the face of
> the 'Net, will the automaton come along and clean up the
> mess and prod
> the process onwards.
Fall back -- okay, I can go along with that rationale.
Padraic
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