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1.1. Re: Typical lexicon size in natlangs
From: Padraic Brown
1.2. No Coke, Peksi [sic] (was: RE: Typical lexicon size in natlangs)
From: Douglas Koller
1.3. Re: No Coke, Peksi [sic] (was: RE: Typical lexicon size in natlangs)
From: Elena ``of Valhalla''
1.4. Re: No Coke, Peksi [sic] (was: RE: Typical lexicon size in natlangs)
From: George Corley
1.5. Re: No Coke, Peksi [sic] (was: RE: Typical lexicon size in natlangs)
From: Sam Stutter
1.6. Re: No Coke, Peksi [sic] (was: RE: Typical lexicon size in natlangs)
From: Douglas Koller
1.7. Re: No Coke, Peksi [sic]
From: R A Brown
1.8. Re: No Coke, Peksi [sic] (was: RE: Typical lexicon size in natlangs)
From: G. van der Vegt
2a. Re: [THEORY] Good references on sound symbolism / phonosemantics.
From: John Q
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1.1. Re: Typical lexicon size in natlangs
Posted by: "Padraic Brown" [email protected]
Date: Tue May 14, 2013 6:32 pm ((PDT))
--- On Tue, 5/14/13, George Corley <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Here near Cincinnati when I ask for a Coke, if
> they don't
> > > serve Coca Cola,
> > > they ask me if Pepsi (or whatever) will be all
> right. They
> > > don't just assume it.
> >
> > I think that's pretty typical to ask. To be honest, I
> wouldn't know the
> > difference if they broght out an RC or a Pepsi in
> stead. They all taste
> > about the same.
>
>
> This is actually bound up in trademark law. The restaurant doesn't want
> to be sued by Coca-Cola, so they train their staff to ask.
This is certainly a possibility. It's more likely that, far from dreading
remotely potential lawsuits, they're just informing their customers as to
what products they're actually selling.
> Also, Coke and Pepsi tasting the same? I think your
> taste buds are off.
No. They just taste the same.
Padraic
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1.2. No Coke, Peksi [sic] (was: RE: Typical lexicon size in natlangs)
Posted by: "Douglas Koller" [email protected]
Date: Tue May 14, 2013 8:01 pm ((PDT))
> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 18:31:59 -0700
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Typical lexicon size in natlangs
> To: [email protected]
> --- On Tue, 5/14/13, George Corley <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Also, Coke and Pepsi tasting the same? I think your
> > taste buds are off.
> No. They just taste the same.
> Padraic
Can a blindfolded taste-test be far behind? Long-shot of our hapless taster at
the mall...The big reveal...The squeal of delight...
Kou
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1.3. Re: No Coke, Peksi [sic] (was: RE: Typical lexicon size in natlangs)
Posted by: "Elena ``of Valhalla''" [email protected]
Date: Wed May 15, 2013 1:39 am ((PDT))
On 2013-05-14 at 23:00:59 -0400, Douglas Koller wrote:
> Can a blindfolded taste-test be far behind? Long-shot of our hapless taster
> at the mall...The big reveal...The squeal of delight...
we did an informal one with our friends (poured in another room, brought
to the tasters by somebody else, but then I'm not 100% that the one who
poured did stay in the other room all of the time)
everybody was able to distinguish between bottled coca cola and bottled
pepsi cola as sold in Italy (I don't know if the taste changes when
using high fructose corn syrup instead of sugar)
--
Elena ``of Valhalla''
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1.4. Re: No Coke, Peksi [sic] (was: RE: Typical lexicon size in natlangs)
Posted by: "George Corley" [email protected]
Date: Wed May 15, 2013 3:31 am ((PDT))
On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:39 AM, Elena ``of Valhalla'' <
[email protected]> wrote:
> On 2013-05-14 at 23:00:59 -0400, Douglas Koller wrote:
> > Can a blindfolded taste-test be far behind? Long-shot of our hapless
> taster at the mall...The big reveal...The squeal of delight...
>
> we did an informal one with our friends (poured in another room, brought
> to the tasters by somebody else, but then I'm not 100% that the one who
> poured did stay in the other room all of the time)
>
> everybody was able to distinguish between bottled coca cola and bottled
> pepsi cola as sold in Italy (I don't know if the taste changes when
> using high fructose corn syrup instead of sugar)
I haven't had cola with sugar, but I can tell from other sodas that the
taste will probably be very different. Cane sugar has a very different
kind of sweet from high fructose corn syrup.
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1.5. Re: No Coke, Peksi [sic] (was: RE: Typical lexicon size in natlangs)
Posted by: "Sam Stutter" [email protected]
Date: Wed May 15, 2013 4:55 am ((PDT))
I tell you what annoys me - people who try and tell me that diet Coke or
caffeine-free Coke tastes different to normal Coke _and_ is, for some reason,
revolting.
I can tell the difference between Coke and Pepsi though - Pepsi tastes more
like Coke than Coke - if you see what I mean. And both are inferior in the eyes
of Orangina. Wait, what has this got to do with conlangs again? :)
Sam Stutter
[email protected]
"No e na'l cu barri"
On 15 May 2013, at 11:31, George Corley <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:39 AM, Elena ``of Valhalla'' <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 2013-05-14 at 23:00:59 -0400, Douglas Koller wrote:
>>> Can a blindfolded taste-test be far behind? Long-shot of our hapless
>> taster at the mall...The big reveal...The squeal of delight...
>>
>> we did an informal one with our friends (poured in another room, brought
>> to the tasters by somebody else, but then I'm not 100% that the one who
>> poured did stay in the other room all of the time)
>>
>> everybody was able to distinguish between bottled coca cola and bottled
>> pepsi cola as sold in Italy (I don't know if the taste changes when
>> using high fructose corn syrup instead of sugar)
>
>
> I haven't had cola with sugar, but I can tell from other sodas that the
> taste will probably be very different. Cane sugar has a very different
> kind of sweet from high fructose corn syrup.
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1.6. Re: No Coke, Peksi [sic] (was: RE: Typical lexicon size in natlangs)
Posted by: "Douglas Koller" [email protected]
Date: Wed May 15, 2013 4:58 am ((PDT))
> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 12:55:21 +0100
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: No Coke, Peksi [sic] (was: RE: Typical lexicon size in natlangs)
> To: [email protected]
> Wait, what has this got to do with conlangs again? :)
ObConlang: How do you say Coke, Pepsi, and Orangina in your conlangs? There,
now you're covered. ;)
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1.7. Re: No Coke, Peksi [sic]
Posted by: "R A Brown" [email protected]
Date: Wed May 15, 2013 5:39 am ((PDT))
On 15/05/2013 12:58, Douglas Koller wrote:
>> Date: Wed, 15 May 2013 12:55:21 +0100 From: Sam Stutter
>> Subject: Re: No Coke, Peksi [sic] (was: RE: Typical
>> lexicon size in natlangs) To:
>> [email protected]
>
>> Wait, what has this got to do with conlangs again? :)
>
> ObConlang: How do you say Coke, Pepsi, and Orangina in
> your conlangs? There, now you're covered. ;)
OK
Outidic - a fictitious _17th_ century auxlang, so it won't
have words for these beverages.
Brx/ Bax etc. now abandoned projects, so no point coining
words for them.
TAKE
Coke - Îῶκα(-Îῶλα)
Pepsi - Î ÎÏι(-Îῶλα)
Orangina - á½Ïανζινά
--
Ray
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http://www.carolandray.plus.com
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"language ⦠began with half-musical unanalysed expressions
for individual beings and events."
[Otto Jespersen, Progress in Language, 1895]
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1.8. Re: No Coke, Peksi [sic] (was: RE: Typical lexicon size in natlangs)
Posted by: "G. van der Vegt" [email protected]
Date: Wed May 15, 2013 6:43 am ((PDT))
It does taste different, just like how sugar-based coke and
syrup-based coke taste differently. Different sweetening agents have
different tastes. They don't just make it sweeter.
That said, I prefer diet coke (and solely for the taste.)
On 15 May 2013 13:55, Sam Stutter <[email protected]> wrote:
> I tell you what annoys me - people who try and tell me that diet Coke or
> caffeine-free Coke tastes different to normal Coke _and_ is, for some reason,
> revolting.
>
> I can tell the difference between Coke and Pepsi though - Pepsi tastes more
> like Coke than Coke - if you see what I mean. And both are inferior in the
> eyes of Orangina. Wait, what has this got to do with conlangs again? :)
>
> Sam Stutter
> [email protected]
> "No e na'l cu barri"
>
> On 15 May 2013, at 11:31, George Corley <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 3:39 AM, Elena ``of Valhalla'' <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2013-05-14 at 23:00:59 -0400, Douglas Koller wrote:
>>>> Can a blindfolded taste-test be far behind? Long-shot of our hapless
>>> taster at the mall...The big reveal...The squeal of delight...
>>>
>>> we did an informal one with our friends (poured in another room, brought
>>> to the tasters by somebody else, but then I'm not 100% that the one who
>>> poured did stay in the other room all of the time)
>>>
>>> everybody was able to distinguish between bottled coca cola and bottled
>>> pepsi cola as sold in Italy (I don't know if the taste changes when
>>> using high fructose corn syrup instead of sugar)
>>
>>
>> I haven't had cola with sugar, but I can tell from other sodas that the
>> taste will probably be very different. Cane sugar has a very different
>> kind of sweet from high fructose corn syrup.
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2a. Re: [THEORY] Good references on sound symbolism / phonosemantics.
Posted by: "John Q" [email protected]
Date: Tue May 14, 2013 9:30 pm ((PDT))
On Tue, 14 May 2013 11:07:35 -0400, Jim Henry <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Leonardo Castro <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>> Does anyone want to suggest some references on sound symbolism /
>> phonosemantics?
>
>There's the video of John Quijada's talk at LCC2. I'm not sure where
>it is, on YouTube or the LCS Podcast site or where... if the latter,
>it's probably not available at the moment with the Dreamhost problems
>LCS sites have been having.
>
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There's a link to my LCC2 talk on the "Links of Interest" page of the
ithkuil.net website. However, I don't think that's what Leonard is talking
about. My LCC2 talk was on phonaesthetics, not sound symbolism and
phonosemantics. I notice the Wikipedia article on sound symbolism has quite a
few links to further articles as well as a few references.
--John Q.
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